1 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:10,730 [Music] 2 00:00:28,730 --> 00:00:25,050 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:34,130 --> 00:00:28,740 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:38,930 --> 00:00:36,920 this is our year-end show with Jeana and 5 00:00:40,610 --> 00:00:38,940 Chris on the para cast and we're 6 00:00:45,889 --> 00:00:40,620 starting to get more and more reaction 7 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:45,899 to our new exclusive premium after the 8 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:49,050 para cast podcast now imagine saying 9 00:00:55,850 --> 00:00:52,260 that five times fast what we do in after 10 00:00:59,390 --> 00:00:55,860 the para cast is we attempt to be 11 00:01:01,910 --> 00:00:59,400 politically incorrect we just say things 12 00:01:03,979 --> 00:01:01,920 that are on our mind like last week I 13 00:01:06,889 --> 00:01:03,989 was talking to Chris about something 14 00:01:09,139 --> 00:01:06,899 where I'm sure some people would object 15 00:01:10,219 --> 00:01:09,149 when I said gee how do they do 16 00:01:13,310 --> 00:01:10,229 fact-checking 17 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:13,320 of rural traditions which may sound like 18 00:01:16,730 --> 00:01:15,450 nonsense although I think there was 19 00:01:18,529 --> 00:01:16,740 something reasonable about it which is 20 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:18,539 of course if you're passing down 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:20,640 something that you want to be conveyed 22 00:01:26,990 --> 00:01:23,130 accurately from generation to generation 23 00:01:29,950 --> 00:01:27,000 over the years how do you verify that 24 00:01:32,389 --> 00:01:29,960 what they're saying is correct it 25 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:32,399 represents the original story whatever 26 00:01:38,270 --> 00:01:34,710 it is it's kind of a catch-22 isn't it 27 00:01:40,580 --> 00:01:38,280 yeah so that's what we call oral 28 00:01:42,050 --> 00:01:40,590 tradition fact-checking now having said 29 00:01:44,060 --> 00:01:42,060 that I think we're going to really hear 30 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:44,070 from people now speaking of hearing it 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:46,350 from people it's an interesting contrast 32 00:01:53,740 --> 00:01:51,210 here we had again dr. rt6 killer Clark 33 00:01:58,399 --> 00:01:53,750 and she is really a really nice lady 34 00:02:01,609 --> 00:01:58,409 very loyal to her purpose which is to 35 00:02:05,030 --> 00:02:01,619 collect fascinating stories especially 36 00:02:07,399 --> 00:02:05,040 about sky people possibly interactions 37 00:02:10,249 --> 00:02:07,409 with advanced beings in ancient times 38 00:02:13,310 --> 00:02:10,259 and she goes to these various indigenous 39 00:02:14,870 --> 00:02:13,320 peoples and she gets the stories and she 40 00:02:17,690 --> 00:02:14,880 writes them down she doesn't sit there 41 00:02:20,539 --> 00:02:17,700 and grill the person you know that 42 00:02:23,449 --> 00:02:20,549 doesn't help obviously she can't take 43 00:02:25,580 --> 00:02:23,459 every nuance of that story and see if 44 00:02:26,930 --> 00:02:25,590 she can fact check that story because 45 00:02:28,490 --> 00:02:26,940 we're talking about something that might 46 00:02:31,069 --> 00:02:28,500 have happened generations ago 47 00:02:33,050 --> 00:02:31,079 hundreds or thousands of years ago look 48 00:02:36,140 --> 00:02:33,060 at the story look at the consistency of 49 00:02:38,630 --> 00:02:36,150 stories from person to person to see if 50 00:02:41,259 --> 00:02:38,640 there may be something there that at 51 00:02:44,059 --> 00:02:41,269 least indicates the possible presence of 52 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:44,069 unusual creatures or beings or people or 53 00:02:49,250 --> 00:02:46,290 whatever in those ancient times now 54 00:02:51,619 --> 00:02:49,260 first time we had her on we got really 55 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:51,629 hit by our listeners saying you know 56 00:02:56,569 --> 00:02:53,400 this is not scientific 57 00:02:58,970 --> 00:02:56,579 it's just folklore but this time I think 58 00:03:02,990 --> 00:02:58,980 they were more prepared to accept her 59 00:03:04,940 --> 00:03:03,000 for what she is right was I the first 60 00:03:07,399 --> 00:03:04,950 thing I mean I I just you know being out 61 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:07,409 in the field for many years off and on 62 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:08,970 and I've really been a stickler for 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:11,310 getting in as much detail and writing 64 00:03:17,059 --> 00:03:14,010 down dates times descriptions duration 65 00:03:19,099 --> 00:03:17,069 location any number of 10 to 12 66 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:19,109 different data points that I tried to 67 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:21,209 include in every every report that I do 68 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:24,090 I investigate and it just was very 69 00:03:28,789 --> 00:03:25,769 frustrating for me to find out that 70 00:03:32,119 --> 00:03:28,799 she's in a town where snow plow operator 71 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:32,129 for instance picks up an alien and she's 72 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:34,319 in the same town well manna would sure 73 00:03:38,690 --> 00:03:36,930 be nice to get a date a time you know in 74 00:03:41,270 --> 00:03:38,700 a location all that sort of thing and 75 00:03:43,819 --> 00:03:41,280 and so I was a little frustrated but 76 00:03:46,970 --> 00:03:43,829 when she was here her first time here 77 00:03:50,059 --> 00:03:46,980 but I just kind of went along with the 78 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:50,069 flow here this this past show and it was 79 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:51,930 very enjoyable listening to her stories 80 00:03:56,180 --> 00:03:54,209 and and you know kind of dovetailing 81 00:03:58,550 --> 00:03:56,190 them with some of the information I've 82 00:03:59,899 --> 00:03:58,560 you know gleaned over the years from 83 00:04:02,089 --> 00:03:59,909 that part of the world down there and 84 00:04:04,899 --> 00:04:02,099 not just I found it fascinating she's 85 00:04:09,409 --> 00:04:04,909 really sweet and you know you just got a 86 00:04:11,629 --> 00:04:09,419 squash my natural tendency to really dig 87 00:04:13,789 --> 00:04:11,639 and well you know obviously want want to 88 00:04:17,539 --> 00:04:13,799 find out more so we just sat back and 89 00:04:19,370 --> 00:04:17,549 had a nice a nice time listening to some 90 00:04:22,069 --> 00:04:19,380 of the very fascinating accounts the one 91 00:04:24,490 --> 00:04:22,079 about the the kid finding the the little 92 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:24,500 alien dressed up in a metal suit that 93 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:27,449 pretty pretty cool stuff yeah but you 94 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:29,880 know if it's legit well the thing that 95 00:04:35,689 --> 00:04:32,970 bear in mind here is that there are all 96 00:04:38,089 --> 00:04:35,699 sorts of unusual things that may have 97 00:04:41,779 --> 00:04:38,099 happened many years ago and even more 98 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:41,789 recent events most people to whom these 99 00:04:46,430 --> 00:04:44,669 things happen don't always go rush to 100 00:04:48,740 --> 00:04:46,440 the police department or call the Air 101 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:48,750 Force or look for the neighborhood MUFON 102 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:51,210 representative thank I sat down there 103 00:04:56,089 --> 00:04:53,820 kind of if it hasn't really harmed them 104 00:04:57,860 --> 00:04:56,099 they just realize they have a nice story 105 00:04:59,239 --> 00:04:57,870 to tell but if we're talking about oral 106 00:05:00,949 --> 00:04:59,249 tradition that's another thing we're 107 00:05:03,979 --> 00:05:00,959 something is so significant that a tribe 108 00:05:06,589 --> 00:05:03,989 is going to make an effort to record all 109 00:05:08,119 --> 00:05:06,599 that information verbally to make sure 110 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:08,129 that future generations know what 111 00:05:12,409 --> 00:05:09,929 happened but they're interpreting that 112 00:05:14,859 --> 00:05:12,419 event with reference to their culture 113 00:05:16,789 --> 00:05:14,869 and experience so we may not even 114 00:05:18,649 --> 00:05:16,799 remotely be seeing what actually 115 00:05:20,719 --> 00:05:18,659 happened to them it's kind of like a 116 00:05:23,089 --> 00:05:20,729 campfire story and that brings us back 117 00:05:26,539 --> 00:05:23,099 to someone like a JC Johnson who also 118 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:26,549 tells lots of campfire stories and also 119 00:05:30,829 --> 00:05:29,039 we get criticized for JC Johnson but I 120 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:30,839 think people who listen to the podcasts 121 00:05:34,939 --> 00:05:33,509 regularly know that not every week are 122 00:05:36,979 --> 00:05:34,949 we going to just sit there and grill 123 00:05:39,259 --> 00:05:36,989 guests over every different issue 124 00:05:42,979 --> 00:05:39,269 sometimes we have to sit back and just 125 00:05:44,989 --> 00:05:42,989 take it in right and maybe learn from it 126 00:05:47,179 --> 00:05:44,999 and maybe if it isn't literally true 127 00:05:50,509 --> 00:05:47,189 there may be something there to 128 00:05:54,019 --> 00:05:50,519 understand that's that's entertainment 129 00:05:56,389 --> 00:05:54,029 but there you go dr. rt6 killer Clarke 130 00:05:58,489 --> 00:05:56,399 she must have been fun in class though 131 00:06:00,109 --> 00:05:58,499 with these stories to tell oh yeah she's 132 00:06:03,889 --> 00:06:00,119 a very plain spoken woman you kind of 133 00:06:07,639 --> 00:06:03,899 think an academic is someone who knows 134 00:06:09,469 --> 00:06:07,649 how to pile on the esoteric jargon no 135 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:09,479 she's used to talking the regular people 136 00:06:12,499 --> 00:06:11,610 and that Wells than what she says and 137 00:06:15,649 --> 00:06:12,509 how she says it 138 00:06:16,699 --> 00:06:15,659 it's refreshing so we had fights also 139 00:06:19,899 --> 00:06:16,709 good you know we're in the holiday 140 00:06:22,759 --> 00:06:19,909 season and we have to sometimes just 141 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:22,769 enjoy what's happening and it's kind of 142 00:06:26,569 --> 00:06:25,110 funny to how the holiday brings out 143 00:06:29,119 --> 00:06:26,579 different people and I won't mention the 144 00:06:32,929 --> 00:06:29,129 name but one of our early forum members 145 00:06:35,509 --> 00:06:32,939 who had been banned in our forums four 146 00:06:37,039 --> 00:06:35,519 years ago sent me a message over 147 00:06:39,559 --> 00:06:37,049 Facebook and said look I'd like to get 148 00:06:42,049 --> 00:06:39,569 on the show on and listen to the power 149 00:06:44,269 --> 00:06:42,059 cast again I'd like to join para cast 150 00:06:46,459 --> 00:06:44,279 plus which will mention morning briefly 151 00:06:49,489 --> 00:06:46,469 in a moment that's plus dot the para 152 00:06:52,329 --> 00:06:49,499 cast compy el us dr. para cast comm 153 00:06:54,499 --> 00:06:52,339 subscription service after the para cast 154 00:06:56,539 --> 00:06:54,509 high-resolution version of the show no 155 00:06:58,459 --> 00:06:56,549 way it's that kind of thing okay says he 156 00:07:01,009 --> 00:06:58,469 wants to subscribe but he can't get to 157 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:01,019 the show so somewhere along the line on 158 00:07:06,529 --> 00:07:04,289 our web server we banned the IP number 159 00:07:09,709 --> 00:07:06,539 with which he connects to the Internet 160 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:09,719 for some reason don't ask me why so I 161 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:12,960 fixed that I remove the ban in the forum 162 00:07:18,350 --> 00:07:15,120 he joined the forums and signed up for a 163 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:18,360 one-year subscription here's so sweet 164 00:07:22,250 --> 00:07:21,090 Jean I know let me let me guess who 165 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:22,260 you're talking about 166 00:07:27,410 --> 00:07:25,530 I can't I don't think you can because I 167 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:27,420 think he left before you joined the 168 00:07:32,450 --> 00:07:30,330 surely okay oh okay he was associated 169 00:07:35,060 --> 00:07:32,460 with some of the usual offenders at one 170 00:07:38,510 --> 00:07:35,070 time well okay but you know it's like 171 00:07:40,970 --> 00:07:38,520 this here there's been bad blood between 172 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:40,980 the para cast and other people either 173 00:07:46,310 --> 00:07:43,410 because of me or Chris and whatever 174 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:46,320 reason there is me t hey there people 175 00:07:51,590 --> 00:07:48,000 who think you talk with marbles in your 176 00:07:55,550 --> 00:07:51,600 mouth it's not it's chewing gum let's 177 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:55,560 get busy like me well I like you mean 178 00:07:59,320 --> 00:07:56,850 there's people out there that don't like 179 00:08:02,420 --> 00:07:59,330 me play people out there don't like me 180 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:02,430 boy I'm gonna be have a Sally Fields 181 00:08:09,770 --> 00:08:08,310 complex here well that's a me well I 182 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:09,780 like you so that's how it goes doesn't 183 00:08:14,780 --> 00:08:11,580 matter what other people think oh they 184 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:14,790 say but seriously speaking here you know 185 00:08:20,060 --> 00:08:17,250 this to me is something we should 186 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:20,070 consider I don't hold grudges you know 187 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:21,840 somebody's decided that forever reason 188 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:23,430 they disagreed with me and me why 189 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:26,130 disassociate themselves from me or they 190 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:28,290 don't like the fact that I had financial 191 00:08:31,820 --> 00:08:30,240 difficulties over the years and sought 192 00:08:33,589 --> 00:08:31,830 some help that's all right that's your 193 00:08:35,270 --> 00:08:33,599 privilege but if they came back to me 194 00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:35,280 and said you know what let's let bygones 195 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:37,620 be bygones let's think about the future 196 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:39,659 and the fact that you can't spend your 197 00:08:42,079 --> 00:08:41,610 life hating people because it's not 198 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:42,089 healthy 199 00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:43,770 no and they want to come back and shake 200 00:08:48,829 --> 00:08:46,320 hands I'll shake their hand I really you 201 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:48,839 know don't believe in holding grudges 202 00:08:51,829 --> 00:08:50,130 not somebody who not really does 203 00:08:54,170 --> 00:08:51,839 something harmful like they steal my 204 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:54,180 money or they they do something that 205 00:08:59,090 --> 00:08:56,310 commits harm to me personally but you 206 00:09:01,579 --> 00:08:59,100 know otherwise dog huh kick your little 207 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:01,589 dog oh I never kicked that dog he want 208 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:03,510 to hug him he said kind you know what 209 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:05,010 he's like tiny berries he's huggable 210 00:09:09,260 --> 00:09:07,650 he's a cute little thing got a heart of 211 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:09,270 gold yeah but if somebody came along and 212 00:09:12,050 --> 00:09:10,530 kicked him I bet you it would take a 213 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:12,060 while for you to bury the hatchet with 214 00:09:16,490 --> 00:09:14,250 that guy well that kick teddy bear I'd 215 00:09:19,820 --> 00:09:16,500 let I give teddy bear permission to bite 216 00:09:21,470 --> 00:09:19,830 him or her oh okay I would hey we have 217 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:21,480 an interesting year ender kind of show 218 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:23,910 today we've got a gentleman by the name 219 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:25,810 of Paul II know and he 220 00:09:30,540 --> 00:09:28,450 is also a fellow broadcaster and he has 221 00:09:34,790 --> 00:09:30,550 a show that he hosts with his son Ben 222 00:09:39,210 --> 00:09:34,800 called behind the paranormal @w oon 223 00:09:41,070 --> 00:09:39,220 12:40 a.m. over there in Rhode Island so 224 00:09:42,660 --> 00:09:41,080 it's a fellow broadcaster I'm will be 225 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352 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:35,310 cast he was here with his son Ben Eno so 353 00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:37,170 he's not here with you today did he do 354 00:14:42,620 --> 00:14:40,140 something bad or did you tie him up or 355 00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:42,630 something or did he tie you up the 356 00:14:46,670 --> 00:14:44,910 problem is as they get older they're 357 00:14:49,610 --> 00:14:46,680 taller than you they're stronger than 358 00:14:51,470 --> 00:14:49,620 you and of course you can't tie him up 359 00:14:54,020 --> 00:14:51,480 anymore they can tie you up as I said of 360 00:14:56,300 --> 00:14:54,030 course my son is shorter than me but 361 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:56,310 he's still a pretty robust kid well 362 00:15:00,770 --> 00:14:58,530 that's from days of yore he's in his 20s 363 00:15:03,020 --> 00:15:00,780 now and he's taller than my wife but not 364 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:03,030 me no actually he's a little bit tied up 365 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:06,570 today he just became engaged and it was 366 00:15:13,970 --> 00:15:09,330 I believe it was the 12th of December he 367 00:15:16,670 --> 00:15:13,980 was DJing at wer s FM in Boston and he 368 00:15:18,350 --> 00:15:16,680 just he said is it okay for ask 369 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:18,360 permission from the station manager and 370 00:15:23,270 --> 00:15:21,060 he told her to listen and she kind of 371 00:15:26,650 --> 00:15:23,280 suspected but he he proposed on the air 372 00:15:28,580 --> 00:15:26,660 in front of half of New England so 373 00:15:30,860 --> 00:15:28,590 people were calling the station 374 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:30,870 fortunately for him she said yes she 375 00:15:34,430 --> 00:15:33,090 called in tears and said yes man and he 376 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:34,440 now stood on the air they were doing 377 00:15:38,930 --> 00:15:37,290 over the fundraiser for a charity in 378 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:38,940 Boston there but it was it will worked 379 00:15:43,610 --> 00:15:40,950 out well and worked very proud of him 380 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:43,620 and he's he's graduating from Emerson he 381 00:15:47,510 --> 00:15:45,210 actually is graduating members in 382 00:15:49,940 --> 00:15:47,520 college this month and that was his last 383 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:49,950 shift on the station so it was very 384 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:51,300 appropriate and something he'll remember 385 00:15:57,290 --> 00:15:52,890 I'm sure for the rest of his life 386 00:15:59,900 --> 00:15:57,300 is this a college station yes it's it's 387 00:16:00,530 --> 00:15:59,910 um fifty thousand watts what it's 388 00:16:02,270 --> 00:16:00,540 probably one 389 00:16:04,060 --> 00:16:02,280 most popular music stations in Boston 390 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:04,070 but it is run by Emerson College yeah 391 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:05,610 Public Radio 392 00:16:12,740 --> 00:16:09,510 well congratulations Ben well it where 393 00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:12,750 he is I'm sure I'll pass it on well for 394 00:16:16,490 --> 00:16:14,790 those people who didn't tune in to your 395 00:16:19,370 --> 00:16:16,500 first appearance along with Ben about 396 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:19,380 five years ago or so the radius show 397 00:16:22,850 --> 00:16:22,230 behind the paranormal how was it 398 00:16:26,060 --> 00:16:22,860 conceived 399 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:26,070 well people liked to have me as a guest 400 00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:29,130 I suppose you two are no exception I 401 00:16:35,630 --> 00:16:33,150 guess and I suppose it might be because 402 00:16:37,220 --> 00:16:35,640 of my longevity in the field which is 403 00:16:39,950 --> 00:16:37,230 either a curse or a blessing I've never 404 00:16:42,050 --> 00:16:39,960 decided and people said why don't you 405 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:42,060 have your own show and then there was a 406 00:16:46,670 --> 00:16:44,610 phoenix-based Internet station that 407 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:46,680 contacted us and on which I'd been a 408 00:16:51,950 --> 00:16:48,930 guest many times and said why don't you 409 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:51,960 take this slot and Ben and I said well 410 00:16:54,530 --> 00:16:53,250 why don't we do it together because he 411 00:17:00,440 --> 00:16:54,540 was kind of interested in radio he was 412 00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:00,450 16 at the time and so we started in Oh 8 413 00:17:07,340 --> 00:17:03,600 on that internet network there and then 414 00:17:09,830 --> 00:17:07,350 a local Boston Providence station here 415 00:17:12,980 --> 00:17:09,840 AM station said well why don't you do a 416 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:12,990 show for us once a week so that that's 417 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:15,510 how that began it started on Saturday 418 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:17,130 mornings you know when absolutely no one 419 00:17:20,810 --> 00:17:18,410 in their right mind listens to the radio 420 00:17:22,820 --> 00:17:20,820 but then they quickly moved us to a 421 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:22,830 Monday night slot that we still have so 422 00:17:26,810 --> 00:17:24,660 that's Drive time so you got a lot of a 423 00:17:28,340 --> 00:17:26,820 lot of commuters who were stuck in 424 00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:28,350 traffic listening to us so we try not to 425 00:17:35,390 --> 00:17:31,260 get them too frustrated and then that 426 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:35,400 November of oh nine CBS contacted us and 427 00:17:40,430 --> 00:17:36,900 they had a new part of their network on 428 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:40,440 three and later for market cities in the 429 00:17:46,270 --> 00:17:44,690 US Seattle Pittsburgh Boston and 430 00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:46,280 remember 431 00:17:54,110 --> 00:17:50,910 Detroit and they said why don't you take 432 00:17:56,540 --> 00:17:54,120 this particular slot and it was Sunday 433 00:18:00,460 --> 00:17:56,550 nights and we developed a pretty big 434 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:00,470 audience from that and then the first of 435 00:18:06,110 --> 00:18:03,930 January almost a year ago now in 2014 436 00:18:07,940 --> 00:18:06,120 they canceled that whole part of the net 437 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:07,950 we're taking us in 15 about 14 other 438 00:18:12,620 --> 00:18:11,130 shows with it with it and so we but we 439 00:18:14,030 --> 00:18:12,630 had developed a pretty humongous 440 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:14,040 audience which now listen 441 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,510 - the 12:40 a.m. broadcast either on 442 00:18:22,210 --> 00:18:20,160 mondays or listens to the podcast so 443 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:22,220 that's the history of that show and 444 00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:25,530 supposedly I mean at our height we had 445 00:18:33,050 --> 00:18:27,780 up to 3 million listeners you know all 446 00:18:36,260 --> 00:18:33,060 all told internet podcast and year and 447 00:18:37,790 --> 00:18:36,270 the Monday show now suppose I'd be 448 00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:37,800 certain people anyone who happens to be 449 00:18:42,530 --> 00:18:40,260 listening on a computer who's not stuck 450 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:42,540 in traffic has the jarring experience of 451 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:44,370 actually seeing us as well because they 452 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:46,530 the thing goes on over webcam from there 453 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:49,050 a radio station so I think yeah we're 454 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,530 pretty well we enjoy doing it together 455 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:53,760 people say they like the father-son 456 00:18:59,240 --> 00:18:56,580 dynamic the only problem is that several 457 00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:59,250 times we've been approached by TV 458 00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:00,960 producers and directors and I've just 459 00:19:04,550 --> 00:19:02,460 about all of us have I'm sure at one 460 00:19:06,170 --> 00:19:04,560 point or another and they always end up 461 00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:06,180 saying we've even done a pilot or two 462 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:08,190 and they always end up saying well first 463 00:19:11,660 --> 00:19:10,410 of all in so many words then that would 464 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:11,670 say you're too intelligent 465 00:19:16,250 --> 00:19:14,010 alright that says a lot doesn't it and 466 00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:16,260 that the other thing is we get along too 467 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:18,360 well that they wanted what more of more 468 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:20,730 sparks rounds I'm supposed to get along 469 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:24,390 so I mean go figure so we're still we're 470 00:19:28,460 --> 00:19:26,010 still on the air anyway you're too 471 00:19:30,260 --> 00:19:28,470 intelligent you're too nice so let me 472 00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:30,270 give you a kind of a related story here 473 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:32,340 and it sounds similar to your story 474 00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:34,530 about how you interacted with your son 475 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:36,510 and he co-hosted a show with you 476 00:19:41,660 --> 00:19:40,110 so back in 2002 I went online with a 477 00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:41,670 radio show called the tech night out 478 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:44,580 live and that's something where we were 479 00:19:51,260 --> 00:19:47,130 one of the early internet-based radio 480 00:19:52,910 --> 00:19:51,270 shows and I called my son to help me we 481 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:52,920 had been writing books together by the 482 00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:55,290 way he was just six three at a time yeah 483 00:19:59,630 --> 00:19:56,760 we wrote a series of science fiction 484 00:20:04,670 --> 00:19:59,640 novels he was just 16 at the time so we 485 00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:04,680 decided to have him work with me and we 486 00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:06,900 had kind of an unusual rapport at that 487 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:08,430 time I don't know if we still have it 488 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:10,650 because now he's 28 but at that 489 00:20:14,990 --> 00:20:12,690 particular point in time we had this 490 00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:15,000 rather unusual rapport back and forth 491 00:20:20,990 --> 00:20:19,020 repartee and it seemed to work so we did 492 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:21,000 the show together for a few years and 493 00:20:27,130 --> 00:20:23,490 then he of course was in college and 494 00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:27,140 finally he took a semester 495 00:20:32,289 --> 00:20:29,929 in Europe in Madrid Spain and fell in 496 00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,299 love with the country and decided to 497 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:34,400 live there so we only get to see him 498 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:36,049 like once a year for a few weeks he 499 00:20:40,330 --> 00:20:38,690 might come back eventually but that's 500 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:40,340 one of the reasons why he no longer does 501 00:20:45,250 --> 00:20:42,170 it with me but I understand the 502 00:20:48,190 --> 00:20:45,260 father-son dynamic and sometimes it 503 00:20:49,660 --> 00:20:48,200 works right sometimes it doesn't and I'm 504 00:20:51,970 --> 00:20:49,670 really happy to know it works so well 505 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:51,980 for you does he share the same level of 506 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:54,530 interest in paranormal as you do yes he 507 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:56,090 does because he grew up with it and 508 00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:57,650 people asked him well how did you get 509 00:21:01,390 --> 00:20:59,360 interested said well I listened to 200 510 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:01,400 of my father's lectures cuz he would he 511 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:02,480 and his brother would come and sell 512 00:21:07,150 --> 00:21:05,330 books at the lecture still still do 513 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:07,160 really although Ben is now a co speaker 514 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:09,410 with me and most of these things it 515 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:12,530 really all began when I was curious to 516 00:21:20,409 --> 00:21:15,730 see if blood relatives had the same 517 00:21:23,289 --> 00:21:20,419 reactions in paranormal situations or in 518 00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:23,299 paranormal areas where you know I hate 519 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:24,559 to use the word psychic because it has 520 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:26,330 so much baggage but you do have a 521 00:21:32,260 --> 00:21:30,320 reaction of fear or or curiosity or 522 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:32,270 whatever or electrical feeling or 523 00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:33,260 what-have-you 524 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:36,320 as John Zaffis would say but what I 525 00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:38,270 actually did was to take a cousin on a 526 00:21:41,890 --> 00:21:40,220 case and it was very interesting he kind 527 00:21:45,070 --> 00:21:41,900 of had similar reactions and then my 528 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:45,080 oldest son was a little bit interested 529 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:46,250 in it but he started sleeping with the 530 00:21:50,530 --> 00:21:47,750 light and I said this is not gonna work 531 00:21:53,260 --> 00:21:50,540 but Ben was another kind of critter by 532 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:53,270 the time he was really his the first 533 00:21:56,740 --> 00:21:54,530 time he came in the case was like he was 534 00:21:58,539 --> 00:21:56,750 like eight or nine and it was not 535 00:21:59,620 --> 00:21:58,549 intentional it was very very benign I 536 00:22:02,169 --> 00:21:59,630 would never would have brought him at 537 00:22:04,419 --> 00:22:02,179 that age otherwise and the two of his 538 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:04,429 friends came to an herb farm in 539 00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:06,890 Connecticut with me and it was odd there 540 00:22:09,460 --> 00:22:08,030 wasn't anything negative going on people 541 00:22:10,690 --> 00:22:09,470 said it says there's some interesting 542 00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:10,700 things happening it's an interesting 543 00:22:16,299 --> 00:22:13,820 place he said dad they're gonna be UFOs 544 00:22:17,470 --> 00:22:16,309 involved with this case I said the UFO 545 00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,480 so he said nobody said anything about 546 00:22:20,620 --> 00:22:19,280 UFOs and we get there and one of the 547 00:22:23,530 --> 00:22:20,630 first things the woman who owned the 548 00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,540 herb farm said was you know also as well 549 00:22:26,830 --> 00:22:25,280 as seeing these figures and all these 550 00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:26,840 different energies and stuff going on 551 00:22:30,909 --> 00:22:30,260 people have seen UFOs this is the way we 552 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:30,919 do a break 553 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:33,410 that is a great wave to have a segue 554 00:22:40,030 --> 00:22:36,130 let's find out more about this early 555 00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:40,040 paranormal investigation sojourn with 556 00:22:42,790 --> 00:22:41,120 Paul and Ben 557 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:42,800 you know with Gina and Chris you're in 558 00:22:52,049 --> 00:22:49,370 the para cast not just an alternative to 559 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:52,059 the mainstream media we're the premier 560 00:23:01,360 --> 00:22:54,650 independent talk radio network 561 00:23:04,270 --> 00:23:01,370 we are G C n is there a secret UFO 562 00:23:06,640 --> 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with his son 642 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:08,030 Ben and you were telling us Paul that 643 00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:10,450 you and your son had gone on this early 644 00:28:14,980 --> 00:28:12,350 paranormal research 645 00:28:16,659 --> 00:28:14,990 so gern yes I will actually I will 646 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:16,669 comment that I do weigh considerably 647 00:28:19,779 --> 00:28:17,570 more than Ben 648 00:28:22,060 --> 00:28:19,789 but in any case yes we did that this 649 00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,070 particular case in the nineties was 650 00:28:26,860 --> 00:28:24,320 really a kid what we did monitor it he 651 00:28:28,210 --> 00:28:26,870 did mention that UFOs would be involved 652 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:28,220 and they that came out of the blue and I 653 00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:29,570 had no idea what he was talking about 654 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:32,150 and that was the first inkling that I 655 00:28:38,590 --> 00:28:35,410 had and that people's before me had 656 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:38,600 suggested this and me certainly Chris is 657 00:28:43,210 --> 00:28:41,450 on this same Road and John keel was 658 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:43,220 people of that nature is from the 659 00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:46,130 earlier times that the paranormal is 660 00:28:50,289 --> 00:28:48,169 more than just individual incidents 661 00:28:53,230 --> 00:28:50,299 involving seeming you know seemingly 662 00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:53,240 unrelated phenomena you know go serve in 663 00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,880 one corner and Bigfoot and all cryptids 664 00:28:59,260 --> 00:28:57,200 and things are in another corner and 665 00:29:01,930 --> 00:28:59,270 UFOs somewhere else and everything but 666 00:29:04,060 --> 00:29:01,940 actually I began to suspect after 667 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:04,070 talking to people at this particular 668 00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:07,090 site that you've got different energies 669 00:29:11,289 --> 00:29:08,900 contributing I should say the same 670 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:11,299 energies are the same phenomena in the 671 00:29:14,350 --> 00:29:13,010 sense of well I believe that you got a 672 00:29:16,060 --> 00:29:14,360 lot of quantum physics involved in 673 00:29:17,529 --> 00:29:16,070 parallel world intersects and things of 674 00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:17,539 that kind it's because that's becoming a 675 00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,830 more popular opinion now in the 676 00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:20,960 paranormal that that was occurring and 677 00:29:25,149 --> 00:29:22,460 that the various phenomena seemingly 678 00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:25,159 unrelated were in fact related in that 679 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:28,070 sense so that was Ben's real first 680 00:29:33,659 --> 00:29:30,710 unofficial case but he was 13 by the 681 00:29:35,980 --> 00:29:33,669 time his mom and I decided that it was 682 00:29:38,919 --> 00:29:35,990 advisable to let him come on more 683 00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:38,929 serious cases and so at the age of 13 684 00:29:41,649 --> 00:29:40,190 which I still thought was a little too 685 00:29:43,779 --> 00:29:41,659 young but but he was on top of it I know 686 00:29:46,210 --> 00:29:43,789 from that time I could say I'd have him 687 00:29:48,210 --> 00:29:46,220 by my side any time in any emergency and 688 00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:48,220 I've seen some wild situations 689 00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,289 paranormally speaking and otherwise 690 00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:52,880 level-headed calm mature and he was 691 00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,200 really great so he's been in my right 692 00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,240 hand ever since and now we're aware for 693 00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,159 his career as a sound engineer we'll 694 00:30:02,350 --> 00:30:00,799 take him I don't know one of his 695 00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,360 professors told them it's okay you have 696 00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:04,159 two choices now it's either Hollywood or 697 00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:06,860 New York however he's got a possibility 698 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:08,840 in Massachusetts was with a big name so 699 00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:11,090 we'll see what happens but in any case I 700 00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:13,580 look back on those days as sort of a 701 00:30:19,090 --> 00:30:17,120 unique father-son Enterprise and which 702 00:30:20,919 --> 00:30:19,100 is still going on hopefully helping 703 00:30:22,750 --> 00:30:20,929 people along the way and finding out a 704 00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:22,760 little more about the paranormal I think 705 00:30:25,899 --> 00:30:24,200 it also helps in 706 00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,909 showing an example of family 707 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:27,679 relationships that don't always work out 708 00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:29,330 so well these days well it's funny 709 00:30:33,879 --> 00:30:31,340 people wrote to us they still do from 710 00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:33,889 all over the world saying gee you are so 711 00:30:37,930 --> 00:30:35,630 lucky I wish I had something you know 712 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:37,940 anything in common with my son and 713 00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,490 probably the one of the most memorable 714 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:42,159 shows I think we ever did 715 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:44,690 judging from the reaction was one we did 716 00:30:49,450 --> 00:30:47,330 on the am boston province am stationed 717 00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:49,460 here and we decided to deal with the 718 00:30:54,629 --> 00:30:52,070 subject of suicide particularly teen 719 00:30:57,070 --> 00:30:54,639 suicide because people would sometimes 720 00:30:58,990 --> 00:30:57,080 especially young people would contact us 721 00:31:00,909 --> 00:30:59,000 and saying okay well if this multi-verse 722 00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:00,919 thing is correct the way we interpret it 723 00:31:05,470 --> 00:31:03,080 and it's certainly not all physicists 724 00:31:09,129 --> 00:31:05,480 agree that with us i mean some major 725 00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,139 ones do but then can't I just you know 726 00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:11,360 do away with myself you know pop up in 727 00:31:15,789 --> 00:31:14,299 some better world you know well first 728 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,799 really doesn't work that way and 729 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:18,799 secondly we could not allow the 730 00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:20,210 paranormal particularly our particular 731 00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:21,830 view of it become an excuse for people 732 00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:23,630 to kill themselves all right obviously 733 00:31:28,330 --> 00:31:26,990 so we did a show on that the reaction 734 00:31:29,889 --> 00:31:28,340 was amazing we had one woman was 735 00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:29,899 listening in it listen listening in the 736 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:32,840 car she was in tears her daughter had 737 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:34,610 been listening at home and she was in 738 00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:37,010 tears they had been they had they been 739 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:38,480 speaking to each other and the daughter 740 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:40,730 had been contemplating suicide and they 741 00:31:44,769 --> 00:31:43,130 just embraced each other and then and 742 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:44,779 and from what we heard things were 743 00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,850 better after that so I mean you like to 744 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:48,559 think you make a make an impact that way 745 00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:50,690 but but that that was they we really get 746 00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:52,820 a nerve with that subject yeah I guess 747 00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:55,700 at the time this is 2010 the suicide 748 00:31:59,950 --> 00:31:58,460 rate according to the Census Bureau was 749 00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,960 it was astronomical among young people 750 00:32:04,659 --> 00:32:01,519 as a matter of fact I believe it was the 751 00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:04,669 second most serious the second major 752 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:08,600 cause of yeah of youth deaths at the 753 00:32:11,980 --> 00:32:09,769 time and I don't think it's much better 754 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:11,990 today so there you have to be very 755 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:13,010 careful what you say about the 756 00:32:16,269 --> 00:32:14,330 paranormal you know when you have 757 00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,279 psychics and mediums out there doing 758 00:32:21,250 --> 00:32:18,320 their thing you know and then they paint 759 00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,260 a rosy picture of the quotient of the 760 00:32:24,879 --> 00:32:23,120 afterlife quote-unquote I mean is this 761 00:32:26,889 --> 00:32:24,889 making it easier for people to give up 762 00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:26,899 here and you know people have to think 763 00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,700 of the implications of that so we'd like 764 00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:31,279 to think that as a father-son team what 765 00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:33,110 we've had a little impact at least with 766 00:32:37,870 --> 00:32:36,500 some people in an area such as that I'm 767 00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:37,880 gonna ask you a fast question 768 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:40,100 then do you believe that the concept 769 00:32:45,670 --> 00:32:42,170 many people have of what the afterlife 770 00:32:49,390 --> 00:32:45,680 is like is an accurate interpretation or 771 00:32:52,060 --> 00:32:49,400 what boy that that's a broad question I 772 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:52,070 spent 10 years in the certain seminaries 773 00:32:57,010 --> 00:32:54,250 when I graduated from to the last one 774 00:32:58,390 --> 00:32:57,020 tossed me the heck out like a year or 775 00:33:00,700 --> 00:32:58,400 two before Nations they didn't like my 776 00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,710 paranormal work right so maybe the 777 00:33:05,050 --> 00:33:02,240 church and I both had a lucky escape I 778 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:05,060 don't know but in any case you have that 779 00:33:08,890 --> 00:33:07,130 sort of an unofficial survey private 780 00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:08,900 survey for many many years and my 781 00:33:14,050 --> 00:33:11,990 travels of what people think about that 782 00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:14,060 very subject and how they approach their 783 00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:15,350 own religions now you don't need to be 784 00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:16,580 religious to believe in an afterlife 785 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:19,430 obviously but that's the the most common 786 00:33:25,660 --> 00:33:22,730 path towards such beliefs for most 787 00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:25,670 rank-and-file people and I found that 788 00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:29,120 the people in almost all religions not 789 00:33:33,370 --> 00:33:30,830 just Christianity but even even in 790 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:33,380 Judaism or in Islam and all these others 791 00:33:39,390 --> 00:33:36,170 they don't really understand what their 792 00:33:42,130 --> 00:33:39,400 own religion teaches about these things 793 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:42,140 Roman Catholics in particular are at 794 00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:43,790 least I don't know about now but are now 795 00:33:49,390 --> 00:33:45,980 not we're not encouraged in my day too 796 00:33:50,530 --> 00:33:49,400 to have theological education unless 797 00:33:52,810 --> 00:33:50,540 they were studying for the priesthood 798 00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:52,820 and then you had to be male so you have 799 00:33:57,610 --> 00:33:54,950 a lot of uneducated people in that and 800 00:33:59,250 --> 00:33:57,620 many other religious groups one possible 801 00:34:02,650 --> 00:33:59,260 exception might be the Eastern Orthodox 802 00:34:05,170 --> 00:34:02,660 where a lot of people male and female go 803 00:34:06,910 --> 00:34:05,180 to the seminary or at least are very 804 00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:06,920 interesting cuz they have maybe it's 805 00:34:09,580 --> 00:34:08,030 because they have at least this 806 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:09,590 convinced smaller community so that 807 00:34:14,379 --> 00:34:12,290 that's one possible exception but even 808 00:34:19,419 --> 00:34:14,389 then you find people with this sort of 809 00:34:21,879 --> 00:34:19,429 goofy idea of this you know paradise you 810 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:21,889 know which it's just it's it's sort of 811 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:25,129 not really nailed down it's not very 812 00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:28,850 specific but the I'll tell you I give 813 00:34:33,850 --> 00:34:31,250 you an example of what of what I mean I 814 00:34:35,619 --> 00:34:33,860 went to a funeral in Rhode Island here 815 00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:35,629 where I live and it was a well-known the 816 00:34:40,690 --> 00:34:38,360 wife of well-known shallow politician 817 00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:40,700 and this sort of thing the priest was 818 00:34:45,490 --> 00:34:42,710 speaking and he said well now she has 819 00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:45,500 gone to a better place that's a common 820 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:48,830 term and she's able to play golf without 821 00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:51,050 all the greens fees and she can go to 822 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:51,320 the 823 00:34:57,700 --> 00:34:55,850 cream she wants and not get fat so I 824 00:34:59,380 --> 00:34:57,710 kind of said and when as we were leaving 825 00:35:00,880 --> 00:34:59,390 the church you know he was out there and 826 00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:00,890 I shook his hand I said that is the 827 00:35:05,740 --> 00:35:02,900 weirdest eschatology I've ever heard in 828 00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:05,750 my life yeah a politician has to be 829 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:08,500 careful about thinking about that yeah 830 00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:11,450 is there an afterlife or politician well 831 00:35:15,790 --> 00:35:13,390 they have a lot to be worried about yeah 832 00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:15,800 those are the politicians wife maybe she 833 00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:17,990 was a victim on earth but especially in 834 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:18,950 Rhode Island that that's pretty 835 00:35:23,110 --> 00:35:20,810 paranormal the politics but in any case 836 00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:23,120 but then I stopped myself and I said you 837 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:26,300 know if this multiverse idea that I have 838 00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:28,730 is that we have and other others have is 839 00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:32,800 is correct then indeed we're living 840 00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,420 millions perhaps billions of parallel 841 00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:38,000 lives in which in what or two of which 842 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:41,270 she might very well have different laws 843 00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:43,250 of physics and be able to play good line 844 00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:44,750 on physics is anything with greens fees 845 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:46,700 but you know what I'm getting at you 846 00:35:52,030 --> 00:35:49,940 know that all possibilities do exist in 847 00:35:54,610 --> 00:35:52,040 concrete form in parallel worlds you 848 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:54,620 know if this version of quantum 849 00:35:59,050 --> 00:35:56,450 mechanics is correct and they might not 850 00:36:00,750 --> 00:35:59,060 be interesting twists you know on the 851 00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:00,760 whole idea we create our own reality 852 00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:06,880 maybe our own afterlife we use that term 853 00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:09,710 initial promotions of the show you know 854 00:36:12,850 --> 00:36:11,030 now that we talked a lot about that we 855 00:36:14,590 --> 00:36:12,860 try to be very cerebral and most of our 856 00:36:16,570 --> 00:36:14,600 approaches but but of course when you 857 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:16,580 think about that it's it's not that 858 00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:18,050 you're creating it is that it's already 859 00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,270 there and you simply become aware of it 860 00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:21,680 in a conscious way rather than a 861 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:23,270 subconscious well you create the 862 00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:26,570 connection in other words yeah somehow 863 00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:28,700 choose a particular one there's there's 864 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:31,550 some process that you want to go to end 865 00:36:38,110 --> 00:36:35,570 up in one particular uh possibility so 866 00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:38,120 perhaps you get the afterlife you want 867 00:36:43,390 --> 00:36:41,030 we're not well Paulino is joining us 868 00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:43,400 with Jean and Chris you're in the para 869 00:36:52,780 --> 00:36:50,620 unseen now calm proud sponsor of GCS 870 00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:52,790 unseen now some paralleled encryption 871 00:36:59,860 --> 00:36:56,150 tools keep your communication secure G C 872 00:37:01,810 --> 00:36:59,870 n at AK of the rock ODEs has been well 873 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:01,820 received by critics and readers alike 874 00:37:06,190 --> 00:37:03,650 it's a thrill a minute story you'll 875 00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:06,200 never forget a former US military 876 00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:08,540 intelligence officer is haunted by 877 00:37:13,330 --> 00:37:10,790 intense dreams about a beautiful woman 878 00:37:16,180 --> 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00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:21,849 might put it a different way I think you 977 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:24,280 make your own bed in the multiverse and 978 00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:25,570 I'll tell you what one of the reasons I 979 00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,780 think that has been some very and I hate 980 00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:30,160 I almost hate to talk about because it 981 00:41:33,870 --> 00:41:31,960 sounds like I'm doing a psychic medium 982 00:41:36,839 --> 00:41:33,880 thing but that's I don't look at it that 983 00:41:40,050 --> 00:41:36,849 way at all if you're simply open-minded 984 00:41:41,940 --> 00:41:40,060 hopefully not open headed open-minded to 985 00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:41,950 these possibilities you do tend to run 986 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:44,080 into things and I've investigated the 987 00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:47,170 number of cases involving suicides with 988 00:41:53,579 --> 00:41:50,400 the information that I gleaned from 989 00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:53,589 working in these situations it seemed to 990 00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:55,089 me that they were that we're now 991 00:42:00,120 --> 00:41:58,450 experiencing worlds of utter aloneness 992 00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:00,130 it's kind of like be careful what you 993 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:03,190 wish for because to me and I have a 994 00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:05,770 personal experience with suicide of a 995 00:42:08,430 --> 00:42:07,240 very dear loved one and it took me a 996 00:42:10,349 --> 00:42:08,440 long time to talk about this too 997 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:10,359 especially on the air was I was 998 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:12,010 practically my father committed suicide 999 00:42:15,870 --> 00:42:13,990 and that was 7 years old 1000 00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:15,880 needless to say it was probably the 1001 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:19,060 defining moment in my life and the 1002 00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:24,490 people very often I do this I I'm sure 1003 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:28,440 end up in worlds of absolute aloneness 1004 00:42:35,849 --> 00:42:32,290 because that's what suicide is that now 1005 00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:35,859 barring psychiatric issues or my father 1006 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:38,260 what I was told had brain to him where 1007 00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:40,210 that affected his behavior so well Keith 1008 00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:42,760 debarring that deliberate acts of 1009 00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:46,030 suicide I think are the acts of altum 1010 00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:47,470 attacks of selfishness 1011 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:50,800 maybe I'm too harsh or wrong about that 1012 00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:52,210 but I think you get what you wish for 1013 00:42:57,180 --> 00:42:55,180 and you what is the multi-verse 1014 00:42:58,260 --> 00:42:57,190 and what is our life and it's it's just 1015 00:43:00,720 --> 00:42:58,270 part of nature 1016 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:00,730 it's an unusual part one that we don't 1017 00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,710 really know much about but I think as in 1018 00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,240 everything in nature it takes the path 1019 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:06,880 of least resistance so if you are a 1020 00:43:15,299 --> 00:43:12,130 selfish jerk in your conscious life here 1021 00:43:17,819 --> 00:43:15,309 in many conscious lives elsewhere that's 1022 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:17,829 what you're going to remain I think it 1023 00:43:23,130 --> 00:43:19,930 might be just that simple well I was 1024 00:43:25,019 --> 00:43:23,140 getting at before and this is my version 1025 00:43:30,709 --> 00:43:25,029 having nothing to do with any reality is 1026 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:30,719 that perhaps part of this transition 1027 00:43:35,849 --> 00:43:34,089 does send you to another reality and 1028 00:43:38,579 --> 00:43:35,859 possibly one reality you're dead and 1029 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:38,589 you're gone but or another reality you 1030 00:43:44,359 --> 00:43:41,650 continue on and I therefore wonder when 1031 00:43:47,549 --> 00:43:44,369 you see or hear from people who 1032 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:47,559 supposedly have passed on and very in 1033 00:43:53,459 --> 00:43:49,930 another place could it be we're talking 1034 00:43:54,809 --> 00:43:53,469 to them from a parallel universe I think 1035 00:43:57,299 --> 00:43:54,819 that's precisely what's happening I'll 1036 00:43:59,249 --> 00:43:57,309 give you an example or two this I think 1037 00:44:02,910 --> 00:43:59,259 is probably the most telling experience 1038 00:44:05,819 --> 00:44:02,920 I had now as a seminary student in the 1039 00:44:08,130 --> 00:44:05,829 Wadhams Hall in Ogdensburg Network no 1040 00:44:12,059 --> 00:44:08,140 longer exists many seminaries don't I 1041 00:44:13,949 --> 00:44:12,069 was helping at the Ogdensburg State 1042 00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:13,959 Hospital well now because this is back 1043 00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:15,880 in the 70s when there were more of these 1044 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:19,119 state hospitals now I should say then 1045 00:44:22,650 --> 00:44:20,890 and there were more inpatients then than 1046 00:44:24,269 --> 00:44:22,660 there are now and now they just fill 1047 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:24,279 your pockets full of antipsychotics and 1048 00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:26,410 off you go and good luck but in any case 1049 00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:28,660 you had also a state hospital in which 1050 00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:30,910 they were non psychiatric patients 1051 00:44:34,769 --> 00:44:32,140 because of people who couldn't afford 1052 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:34,779 regular hospitals or a cross-section 1053 00:44:42,059 --> 00:44:39,430 very often older older patients so I was 1054 00:44:44,969 --> 00:44:42,069 there at one point in a particular Ward 1055 00:44:46,529 --> 00:44:44,979 that was known as being a little strange 1056 00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,539 a lot of the staff didn't like to work 1057 00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:48,880 there particularly at night and they 1058 00:44:52,529 --> 00:44:51,430 were older older people there now there 1059 00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,539 was one I was talking to one of the 1060 00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:53,920 patients and this is sort of an a 1061 00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:56,380 pastoral capacity but I was also working 1062 00:45:02,609 --> 00:44:59,880 with the hush hush with an exorcist 1063 00:45:03,809 --> 00:45:02,619 because there were sometimes you know 1064 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:03,819 some things thing with things would 1065 00:45:06,809 --> 00:45:05,170 happened the doctors couldn't explain 1066 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:06,819 and this sort of thing and we'd have to 1067 00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:08,410 come in and and it opens the right 1068 00:45:12,839 --> 00:45:10,150 approach looking back on it but whatever 1069 00:45:15,209 --> 00:45:12,849 so there was one particular woman who 1070 00:45:17,789 --> 00:45:15,219 was an elderly patient and considered 1071 00:45:19,499 --> 00:45:17,799 herself a psychic medium right yeah good 1072 00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:19,509 Catholic and all this and I said you 1073 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:21,190 know that's really not accepted as well 1074 00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:23,170 it is what it is in this era but she 1075 00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,660 said there is a the hall was 1076 00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:28,319 was haunted because there's a man 1077 00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:32,260 waiting for his wife to die he was going 1078 00:45:36,299 --> 00:45:34,630 to quote take her home I said okay 1079 00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:36,309 that's a common story you hear this 1080 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:39,369 right and left from me as a stand in any 1081 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:40,930 city street you're gonna throw a rock 1082 00:45:44,490 --> 00:45:42,010 you're gonna hit somebody who's a 1083 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:44,500 psychic or thinks they are anyway so I 1084 00:45:48,839 --> 00:45:46,690 went the chapel also happened to be in 1085 00:45:51,329 --> 00:45:48,849 this this hallway so I went into the 1086 00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:51,339 chapel and I have a certain technique 1087 00:45:56,220 --> 00:45:53,950 that I use and I kind of feel my way 1088 00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:56,230 with it go into a sort of meditative 1089 00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,450 state and if anything or anyone is 1090 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:01,119 around you can kind of pick it up if 1091 00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:02,470 you're in a quiet stay this is the way I 1092 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:04,329 do it anyway and there have been a 1093 00:46:09,690 --> 00:46:05,730 number of times when I've actually 1094 00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:09,700 communicated and I always advise against 1095 00:46:13,859 --> 00:46:11,950 this because you know I'm very aware and 1096 00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:13,869 Ben and I particularly working together 1097 00:46:19,140 --> 00:46:15,780 very aware of what we refer to as 1098 00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:19,150 parasitical entities folklore calls them 1099 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:20,740 demons or evil spirits I think they're 1100 00:46:25,819 --> 00:46:22,770 just life forms who happen to be 1101 00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:25,829 multiversal I think life certainly 1102 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:28,569 biology and then everything is proven 1103 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:29,890 science in general has proven that life 1104 00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:33,970 is pretty much universal and it finds 1105 00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,079 its way into just about every aspect of 1106 00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:39,520 the life of the biosphere and the end 1107 00:46:43,769 --> 00:46:41,380 the universe I think it's a Fred Hoyle 1108 00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:43,779 the great astronomer astrophysicists 1109 00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:46,270 said life is not the exception in the 1110 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:48,940 universe it is the rule so that being 1111 00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:51,609 said I think the life forms that live 1112 00:46:56,190 --> 00:46:54,430 among worlds are between them or you 1113 00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,200 know or in multiple worlds at the same 1114 00:47:00,029 --> 00:46:58,000 time are very possible and I think 1115 00:47:02,549 --> 00:47:00,039 that's what we were into but in any case 1116 00:47:05,309 --> 00:47:02,559 you watch out for those negative ones 1117 00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:05,319 and if that the coast being clear in 1118 00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:07,240 that sense sometimes there is 1119 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:10,329 communication and I happened I believe 1120 00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:13,690 to get in touch with the husband who was 1121 00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:17,020 indeed waiting for his wife but waiting 1122 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:19,089 for her across the river in Prescott 1123 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:22,089 Ontario at the railroad station she was 1124 00:47:24,809 --> 00:47:23,770 coming in from Montreal and he was gonna 1125 00:47:28,579 --> 00:47:24,819 take her home 1126 00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:28,589 okay now this was not in our particular 1127 00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:31,630 world or that this form of our world and 1128 00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:33,430 and I got the strong impression from 1129 00:47:37,289 --> 00:47:35,500 this guy who did speak English very 1130 00:47:39,099 --> 00:47:37,299 often I have language problems because 1131 00:47:41,799 --> 00:47:39,109 you've got people or 1132 00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:41,809 as I believe they are who don't speak 1133 00:47:47,019 --> 00:47:44,480 any language that we know or or speak a 1134 00:47:49,329 --> 00:47:47,029 very strange form I recounted one one 1135 00:47:51,309 --> 00:47:49,339 time we spoke a very very strange form 1136 00:47:53,890 --> 00:47:51,319 of Latin with very odd case endings and 1137 00:47:56,529 --> 00:47:53,900 it took me two days to communicate with 1138 00:47:58,509 --> 00:47:56,539 him and in this case the fellows across 1139 00:48:00,759 --> 00:47:58,519 in Ontario but he was in a world where 1140 00:48:05,019 --> 00:48:00,769 it was very similar to ours but in which 1141 00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:05,029 it was not uncommon to speak with your 1142 00:48:12,009 --> 00:48:09,049 neighbors as I think of them in parallel 1143 00:48:14,019 --> 00:48:12,019 realities and you know not far away now 1144 00:48:16,690 --> 00:48:14,029 in our world generally that would get 1145 00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:16,700 you a sentence of schizophrenia and a 1146 00:48:20,829 --> 00:48:18,739 bunch of antipsychotics or in a bunch of 1147 00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:20,839 business to the shrink but in his world 1148 00:48:23,710 --> 00:48:22,430 that was considered normal because you 1149 00:48:25,870 --> 00:48:23,720 know if you study psychology the 1150 00:48:28,539 --> 00:48:25,880 definition of normality really depends 1151 00:48:31,450 --> 00:48:28,549 on the society in which you live so you 1152 00:48:33,819 --> 00:48:31,460 can just see if all this was what it 1153 00:48:36,099 --> 00:48:33,829 appeared to be that this woman who was 1154 00:48:38,229 --> 00:48:36,109 the psychic medium and carrying it from 1155 00:48:40,930 --> 00:48:38,239 that to a perhaps many or even all 1156 00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:40,940 psychic mediums interpreting this as 1157 00:48:45,999 --> 00:48:43,670 someone who had died what else could it 1158 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:46,009 be because they don't have any other 1159 00:48:50,049 --> 00:48:48,890 point of view waiting for his wife was 1160 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:50,059 going to die and he was going to take 1161 00:48:56,650 --> 00:48:53,930 her home to heaven okay hence their view 1162 00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,660 of the afterlife when in in reality if 1163 00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:58,400 again if I was interpreting interacted 1164 00:49:02,200 --> 00:48:59,839 this was nothing of the kind 1165 00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,210 well whenever I have the rare times we 1166 00:49:05,799 --> 00:49:04,400 have psychic mediums on the air and it's 1167 00:49:06,849 --> 00:49:05,809 very rare because they all say the same 1168 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:06,859 things and they were all stuck in the 1169 00:49:11,019 --> 00:49:09,049 19th century not all but most of my 1170 00:49:13,059 --> 00:49:11,029 opinion I'll ask them well you know talk 1171 00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,069 about the other side's only spiritualist 1172 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:15,200 terms I said well the other side of what 1173 00:49:19,329 --> 00:49:17,450 or which other side which of the 1174 00:49:21,999 --> 00:49:19,339 billions and trillions of other sides 1175 00:49:23,950 --> 00:49:22,009 are you talking about you know you know 1176 00:49:25,749 --> 00:49:23,960 the one in which the ladies know sucking 1177 00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,759 up all the goodies not getting fat or 1178 00:49:30,279 --> 00:49:26,960 the one in which the guys waiting for 1179 00:49:31,630 --> 00:49:30,289 the Train I mean I mean everything is 1180 00:49:34,269 --> 00:49:31,640 out there and we're just an 1181 00:49:36,489 --> 00:49:34,279 infinitesimal part of this if it is what 1182 00:49:38,620 --> 00:49:36,499 it appears to be that's an example of 1183 00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:38,630 what I'm talking well we can also talk 1184 00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:40,220 about whether it's all real or whether 1185 00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:43,150 we're just somewhere in the matrix 1186 00:49:48,579 --> 00:49:46,160 sleeping away our lives and it's not 1187 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:48,589 what we perceive it to be you know when 1188 00:49:52,089 --> 00:49:50,210 you're talking though about the parallel 1189 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:52,099 universe I was thinking of the TV show 1190 00:49:54,529 --> 00:49:52,650 fringe 1191 00:49:57,380 --> 00:49:54,539 where they have this alternate reality 1192 00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,390 that they visited where you could see 1193 00:50:02,059 --> 00:50:00,000 how things were similar you had 1194 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:02,069 counterparts of the people who existed 1195 00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:03,510 in the reality with which we were 1196 00:50:09,289 --> 00:50:06,390 familiar but other events like 9/11 1197 00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:09,299 never occurred oh yeah exactly well I 1198 00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,529 don't watch very much very much 1199 00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:12,960 television uh Ben's mom said it'll be a 1200 00:50:18,019 --> 00:50:15,660 bad influence on me anyway but I think a 1201 00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:18,029 lot of these ideas are being carried 1202 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:20,520 over into pop culture in some ways 1203 00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:22,650 although pop culture usually gets it 1204 00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,150 wrong just as they get stuff wrong in 1205 00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,640 religion people have to get back to your 1206 00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,079 original question which I think I 1207 00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,480 probably wandered a bit far from about 1208 00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:32,880 the afterlife or or concepts of heaven 1209 00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,380 and it's ironic because I've been and I 1210 00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:36,000 writing a book together or in Chapter 1211 00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:37,950 ten which is about heaven the deals 1212 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:39,270 where there's this very idea 1213 00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:41,730 people don't understand as I said really 1214 00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:43,470 their own what their own religions teach 1215 00:50:47,779 --> 00:50:45,630 and particularly when it comes to heaven 1216 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:47,789 are they afterlife Buddhism for example 1217 00:50:54,799 --> 00:50:50,130 doesn't even officially recognize a 1218 00:50:56,299 --> 00:50:54,809 single God but most others do or pagan 1219 00:50:59,779 --> 00:50:56,309 religions gods whatever but it still 1220 00:51:02,660 --> 00:50:59,789 leads to an afterlife idea and the the 1221 00:51:04,220 --> 00:51:02,670 one of the questions is is the afterlife 1222 00:51:07,279 --> 00:51:04,230 the same for everyone 1223 00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:07,289 or is it sort of 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an illusion 1281 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:25,779 are we all part of the matrix some 1282 00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:27,729 universal intelligence and we kind of go 1283 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:29,950 off and have our experience and then 1284 00:54:35,969 --> 00:54:32,890 return to something totally different so 1285 00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:35,979 many possibilities Paul Eno joins us he 1286 00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:38,319 and his son Ben our fellow travelers 1287 00:54:44,459 --> 00:54:40,150 they have their own paranormal radio 1288 00:54:46,589 --> 00:54:44,469 show called behind the paranormal so is 1289 00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:46,599 everything I said here Paul completely 1290 00:54:51,479 --> 00:54:49,180 crazy no not at all anything is possible 1291 00:54:53,999 --> 00:54:51,489 as mr. Spock said there were always 1292 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:54,009 possibilities right one of the other 1293 00:54:57,390 --> 00:54:55,690 interesting things that that sort of 1294 00:55:00,209 --> 00:54:57,400 pointed us in the direction of this 1295 00:55:02,489 --> 00:55:00,219 multiverse idea was well we frequently 1296 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:02,499 will get questions on the show as maybe 1297 00:55:08,459 --> 00:55:05,410 you do you know okay well my loved ones 1298 00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:08,469 going to be okay and am I going to be 1299 00:55:15,569 --> 00:55:14,079 okay and how do I remain in contact or I 1300 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:15,579 just you know I can't be or the loss or 1301 00:55:22,529 --> 00:55:19,690 whatever and then finally in the 2011 my 1302 00:55:25,709 --> 00:55:22,539 mother Ben's grandmother passed away or 1303 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:25,719 other term I don't like or translated as 1304 00:55:31,140 --> 00:55:28,089 we say it's actually a very ancient 1305 00:55:32,459 --> 00:55:31,150 theological term sort of wasn't here 1306 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:32,469 physically with us in this particular 1307 00:55:36,029 --> 00:55:34,210 reality and people would write in and 1308 00:55:39,329 --> 00:55:36,039 then say in so many words okay wise guy 1309 00:55:40,890 --> 00:55:39,339 well how do you deal with this loss your 1310 00:55:43,170 --> 00:55:40,900 theories are great but you know what it 1311 00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:43,180 hits you at home how do you deal with it 1312 00:55:51,299 --> 00:55:46,799 so I said well our view is is a bit of a 1313 00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,309 canted look at the idea that you're 1314 00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:53,440 still with these people and I said the 1315 00:55:57,380 --> 00:55:55,569 idea that we have is that you're not the 1316 00:56:00,660 --> 00:55:57,390 experience we have is that you're not 1317 00:56:02,910 --> 00:56:00,670 still there they're still not here in 1318 00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:02,920 some form whether it be ghostly or 1319 00:56:10,469 --> 00:56:06,190 whatever thing popular folklore has but 1320 00:56:12,299 --> 00:56:10,479 it's that we are with them still in many 1321 00:56:14,090 --> 00:56:12,309 many parallel worlds where they never 1322 00:56:16,070 --> 00:56:14,100 die and I 1323 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:16,080 a wonderful relationship with my mother 1324 00:56:20,570 --> 00:56:17,850 I always did have a good one but it's 1325 00:56:22,850 --> 00:56:20,580 very close because of awareness of 1326 00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:22,860 worlds where we're still together that's 1327 00:56:27,620 --> 00:56:25,110 my view maybe I'm being modeling or 1328 00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:27,630 sappy but I'm not that kind of person 1329 00:56:32,180 --> 00:56:30,510 and it's a very real concrete experience 1330 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:32,190 to me and then for Ben to and the rest 1331 00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:34,170 of us and again it's not that they're 1332 00:56:37,070 --> 00:56:35,520 still here and they have to look for 1333 00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:37,080 them and use psychics and mediums and 1334 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:39,270 did you make contact you're already in 1335 00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:42,450 contact all over the place all kinds of 1336 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:44,430 times in places you know and it's all a 1337 00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,010 oneness that I think is the key to 1338 00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:48,960 spirituality my opinion discovering that 1339 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:53,220 so anyway you find this particular point 1340 00:57:00,050 --> 00:56:56,130 of view in indigenous cultures all over 1341 00:57:02,540 --> 00:57:00,060 the world precisely my name I I'm sorry 1342 00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:02,550 it's the West that tends to 1343 00:57:06,740 --> 00:57:04,830 compartmentalize and then you know 1344 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:06,750 create this beginning and end scenario 1345 00:57:11,690 --> 00:57:09,090 whereas in indigenous cultures I think 1346 00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:11,700 the inclination is to always be aware 1347 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:13,950 that your ancestors are with you at all 1348 00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,810 times well it's funny you should bring 1349 00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:17,760 that up because that's a lot of my you 1350 00:57:23,810 --> 00:57:19,500 know screwy ideas came from precisely 1351 00:57:25,610 --> 00:57:23,820 that seven hours in Australia in the 1352 00:57:28,850 --> 00:57:25,620 line of duty many many many years ago 1353 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:28,860 and I happened to spend it on much of it 1354 00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:30,930 on the porch of an old store outside 1355 00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,960 Melbourne with a little tournament more 1356 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:36,000 than four foot tall Australian 1357 00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:38,730 Aboriginal elder by the name of min de 1358 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:41,640 lui and they usually don't talk to 1359 00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:44,010 outsiders that readily but we got 1360 00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:46,110 talking and he said you know you're you 1361 00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,520 starting to get it because in the late 1362 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:49,920 70s this is in the mid 80s but in the 1363 00:57:55,130 --> 00:57:52,650 late 70s I know wasn't he was 1979 but 1364 00:57:57,140 --> 00:57:55,140 by that time I began to see a lot of 1365 00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,150 strange things and the paranormal that 1366 00:58:01,820 --> 00:57:59,520 simply could not be explained adequately 1367 00:58:04,220 --> 00:58:01,830 in my opinion by the classic 1368 00:58:06,350 --> 00:58:04,230 spiritualist or even theological 1369 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:06,360 interpretations of these things and he 1370 00:58:10,580 --> 00:58:08,370 said you're on the right track this is 1371 00:58:14,330 --> 00:58:10,590 what shamans do so you know we go into 1372 00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:14,340 parallel worlds and we get what is 1373 00:58:19,610 --> 00:58:16,500 needed and we bring it back and make it 1374 00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:19,620 part of our world or we bring the worlds 1375 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:21,420 together a physicist might say collapse 1376 00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:23,490 the wave function and this kind of thing 1377 00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:25,500 and that really got me going and because 1378 00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:25,720 I 1379 00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:27,430 had a really strange experience earlier 1380 00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,760 that year with a case in which the 1381 00:58:36,180 --> 00:58:33,040 person the ghost quote-unquote was not 1382 00:58:37,740 --> 00:58:36,190 dead it was living 120 miles away and 1383 00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:37,750 this made me wonder what are we dealing 1384 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:39,369 with here and sure enough this kind of 1385 00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:40,690 put me on the right track so I think I 1386 00:58:43,950 --> 00:58:42,609 think there was a lot of evidence for 1387 00:58:46,740 --> 00:58:43,960 this multiverse idea and the 1388 00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:46,750 implications of that are stunning for 1389 00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:48,609 spirituality for understanding of the 1390 00:58:54,210 --> 00:58:51,280 afterlife are after lives as not being 1391 00:58:57,180 --> 00:58:54,220 after laughter anything but parallel and 1392 00:58:58,890 --> 00:58:57,190 one great reality and physics of course 1393 00:59:01,770 --> 00:58:58,900 having it pretty much shown that that 1394 00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:01,780 there is no past and future as such it's 1395 00:59:06,270 --> 00:59:04,510 all one great simultaneity which of 1396 00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:06,280 course in the theme itself has a lot of 1397 00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:07,480 implications for the ideas of 1398 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:11,220 reincarnation space travel or anything 1399 00:59:16,349 --> 00:59:14,410 talking about UFOs I mean it takes in 1400 00:59:17,849 --> 00:59:16,359 everything and it really changes 1401 00:59:19,290 --> 00:59:17,859 everything and that's why the motto of 1402 00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:19,300 our show was everything you know was 1403 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:21,190 wrong well anytime you talk about 1404 00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:23,890 parallel universes there's no end to the 1405 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:26,740 speculation the possibilities and one 1406 00:59:31,710 --> 00:59:29,290 being of course that UFOs are in another 1407 00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:31,720 reality not coming from Zeta Reticuli or 1408 00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:33,609 whatever necessarily but we're seeing 1409 00:59:38,490 --> 00:59:36,430 into this other reality occasionally 1410 00:59:40,380 --> 00:59:38,500 where maybe that's the common way of 1411 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:40,390 traveling from one place to another on 1412 00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:42,250 earth well I would wonder why people 1413 00:59:45,570 --> 00:59:43,630 would report UFOs and say well it 1414 00:59:47,609 --> 00:59:45,580 disappeared right in front of me or it 1415 00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:47,619 appeared right in front of me or Bigfoot 1416 00:59:52,109 --> 00:59:49,420 suddenly disappeared right in front of 1417 00:59:54,810 --> 00:59:52,119 my you know how could that be one of the 1418 00:59:57,630 --> 00:59:54,820 explanations might be what some form of 1419 01:00:00,570 --> 00:59:57,640 coming and going across the the brains 1420 01:00:03,540 --> 01:00:00,580 BR a NES that as they're called or world 1421 01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:03,550 boundaries that I think will explain a 1422 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:05,560 lot of this stuff and certainly travel 1423 01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:07,810 you're preaching to the choir as far as 1424 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:09,849 I'm concerned I mean that's as we 1425 01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:11,290 discussed on your show that's the 1426 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:13,720 direction that I've been heading in ever 1427 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:16,089 since I really got started looking into 1428 01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:18,730 this you know a real intense way looking 1429 01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:21,310 into these subjects when you have an 1430 01:00:27,630 --> 01:00:24,640 expense occur you trust your own sanity 1431 01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:27,640 you just cannot reconcile the experience 1432 01:00:32,490 --> 01:00:30,190 then it really gets you moving in 1433 01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:32,500 directions that you you know normally 1434 01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:34,390 wouldn't have gotten in because you you 1435 01:00:38,579 --> 01:00:36,070 you have to think outside of the box to 1436 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:38,589 deal with outside of the box phenomenal 1437 01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:39,370 events 1438 01:00:44,730 --> 01:00:43,030 I absolutely you know like I said you're 1439 01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:44,740 preaching to the choir and one thing 1440 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:46,750 about the Aboriginal people you bring up 1441 01:00:50,550 --> 01:00:49,210 you know your trip to Australia there's 1442 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:50,560 been some pretty interesting work done 1443 01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:53,770 by sociologists and anthropologists to 1444 01:00:58,050 --> 01:00:55,300 try to get to the bottom of how they can 1445 01:00:59,580 --> 01:00:58,060 all communally dream together which is 1446 01:01:01,290 --> 01:00:59,590 which is something that not not too many 1447 01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,300 people are really aware of that that's 1448 01:01:06,030 --> 01:01:03,520 that's a very deep deeply rooted in 1449 01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:06,040 ancient part of their communal process 1450 01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:09,310 as Aboriginal people there and that they 1451 01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:10,990 do have the ability to collectively 1452 01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:13,990 dream together which that's rated very 1453 01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:16,150 well by scientists well the Australian 1454 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:18,910 natives you use the term dreaming and a 1455 01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:21,250 much as you know Chris in a much deeper 1456 01:01:25,710 --> 01:01:23,710 sense than we do you know the hold of 1457 01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,720 the dream time they talk about and there 1458 01:01:30,330 --> 01:01:27,760 are things are dreamed into reality and 1459 01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:30,340 and comfort then it's I found that very 1460 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:33,460 very profound in need okay some of the 1461 01:01:37,890 --> 01:01:35,530 work that you did in the 70s we had Bill 1462 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:37,900 Hall rather on the on the the Bridgeport 1463 01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:40,210 case which you were involved with and 1464 01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:41,680 one of the things I wanted to make sure 1465 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:45,040 to to ask you is what did you think of 1466 01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:48,130 that particular case it's reading the 1467 01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:50,760 book it's just amazing the amount of 1468 01:01:54,510 --> 01:01:53,260 witnesses that were involved and in some 1469 01:01:56,420 --> 01:01:54,520 of these events that could not be 1470 01:01:59,760 --> 01:01:56,430 explained some possibly could have been 1471 01:02:02,040 --> 01:01:59,770 Marcia playing around a little bit but 1472 01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:02,050 but you were there on on in that case 1473 01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:04,390 and on the scene there yeah I'd really 1474 01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:05,920 love to get your feedback on what you 1475 01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,480 thought about that particular case oh 1476 01:02:11,460 --> 01:02:09,280 sure yeah and I apologize for not 1477 01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:11,470 calling in to the show because I just 1478 01:02:18,510 --> 01:02:14,530 said but intended to but I couldn't yeah 1479 01:02:22,140 --> 01:02:18,520 that was 1974 and Marcia's was called 1480 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:22,150 her my job was buy it from and Lorraine 1481 01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:23,890 Warren ed Warren asked me to keep an eye 1482 01:02:27,570 --> 01:02:25,750 on the child precisely to make sure that 1483 01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:27,580 she wasn't doing any of these things and 1484 01:02:32,370 --> 01:02:29,380 one thing that strikes people about 1485 01:02:34,830 --> 01:02:32,380 about this case is is the small size of 1486 01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:34,840 that house it was a tiny like three 1487 01:02:38,790 --> 01:02:37,390 three-and-a-half room house and all this 1488 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:38,800 stuff was going on and all these people 1489 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:40,450 saw this stuff including police officers 1490 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:42,130 and firefighters and this kind of thing 1491 01:02:47,250 --> 01:02:44,170 including your floating refrigerators 1492 01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:47,260 objects you know flying around and the 1493 01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:48,110 child being 1494 01:02:55,390 --> 01:02:51,590 lifted and this sort of thing one of the 1495 01:02:58,360 --> 01:02:55,400 things that really struck me and changed 1496 01:03:00,100 --> 01:02:58,370 some of my thinking was that on the 1497 01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:00,110 Monday night of the case we were in for 1498 01:03:04,030 --> 01:03:01,310 the better part of three days the 1499 01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:04,040 Warrens myself and father William 1500 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:06,380 Charbonneau a priest of the Archdiocese 1501 01:03:09,730 --> 01:03:07,970 of Hartford were in the house I was a 1502 01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:09,740 seminary student at the time I I got 1503 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:11,510 involved I happen to blunder into it I 1504 01:03:15,070 --> 01:03:13,010 was on my way down to have dinner with 1505 01:03:18,430 --> 01:03:15,080 then Lorraine Lorraine the tremendous 1506 01:03:20,410 --> 01:03:18,440 cook came leaping out of the house and 1507 01:03:22,450 --> 01:03:20,420 said you know are you want a high 1508 01:03:24,070 --> 01:03:22,460 spiritual state right now because you 1509 01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:24,080 come back because they knew I was coming 1510 01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:25,760 and had already been in the house yeah 1511 01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:29,030 so we all went down there and the book 1512 01:03:35,170 --> 01:03:32,150 tells the story but on Monday night 1513 01:03:37,810 --> 01:03:35,180 there was a probably a the most striking 1514 01:03:39,610 --> 01:03:37,820 incident for me let's find out what that 1515 01:03:41,470 --> 01:03:39,620 incident is in just a moment we have 1516 01:03:47,980 --> 01:03:41,480 paulina with gene and Chris you're in 1517 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:47,990 her guest first game attack of the rock 1518 01:03:51,820 --> 01:03:49,370 ODEs and it was a critically acclaimed 1519 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:51,830 success and now there is the coming of 1520 01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:53,690 the protectors a former military 1521 01:03:58,210 --> 01:03:56,000 intelligence man is contacted by a space 1522 01:04:00,820 --> 01:03:58,220 woman in a dream a dream that turns out 1523 01:04:02,260 --> 01:04:00,830 to be a nightmare because evil forces on 1524 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the Bridgeport poltergeist outbreak of 1622 01:08:47,670 --> 01:08:45,410 1974 this is the one we had with William 1623 01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:47,680 hall just a few weeks ago and you were 1624 01:08:52,990 --> 01:08:51,440 also involved in checking this out yes 1625 01:08:55,209 --> 01:08:53,000 yes I was working with an Lorraine 1626 01:08:57,700 --> 01:08:55,219 Warren and father bill Charbonneau the 1627 01:08:58,840 --> 01:08:57,710 three-day period we were there the thing 1628 01:09:01,329 --> 01:08:58,850 that sticks out the most for me 1629 01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:01,339 personally was an incident Monday 1630 01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:03,980 evening when the Warrens had left to do 1631 01:09:08,380 --> 01:09:06,799 an interview at their home and I was in 1632 01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,390 the house with the family which 1633 01:09:13,780 --> 01:09:11,120 consisted of two people in their forties 1634 01:09:16,059 --> 01:09:13,790 the goodand family couldn't a Laura and 1635 01:09:17,470 --> 01:09:16,069 Gerard Gooden and the little girl Marcia 1636 01:09:20,110 --> 01:09:17,480 who was an adopted child 1637 01:09:21,820 --> 01:09:20,120 loved Native American descent that was 1638 01:09:23,709 --> 01:09:21,830 reporter from the Bridgeport post and 1639 01:09:26,110 --> 01:09:23,719 there was a neighbor and one other 1640 01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:26,120 person and while we were playing 1641 01:09:29,709 --> 01:09:27,049 Monopoly 1642 01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:29,719 Marcia's favorite game is a huge amount 1643 01:09:34,749 --> 01:09:32,630 of energy seems to be gathering in the 1644 01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:34,759 kitchen and I say very small house and 1645 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:37,670 it seemed to me that if I got any person 1646 01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:40,130 that four entities were involved here no 1647 01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:41,900 no no officially a poltergeist is 1648 01:09:45,420 --> 01:09:43,520 supposed to be you know produced by the 1649 01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:45,430 child and all this stuff that 1650 01:09:49,539 --> 01:09:47,630 parapsychologists whom I I swear most of 1651 01:09:51,939 --> 01:09:49,549 them ever never actually encountered a 1652 01:09:54,670 --> 01:09:51,949 knock-down drag-out poltergeist before 1653 01:09:57,700 --> 01:09:54,680 believe so we were in the living room 1654 01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:57,710 these four things seemed to be forming 1655 01:10:01,450 --> 01:10:00,320 in the kitchen mister Gooden Gerard went 1656 01:10:03,340 --> 01:10:01,460 into the kitchen and all of a sudden 1657 01:10:06,670 --> 01:10:03,350 started singing in a beautiful bass 1658 01:10:09,370 --> 01:10:06,680 voice Latin and it sounded like it was 1659 01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:09,380 from the mass right and I said what the 1660 01:10:12,340 --> 01:10:11,090 hey is this and he later said he would 1661 01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:12,350 he had been interested in the priesthood 1662 01:10:16,930 --> 01:10:14,449 he'd studied Latin and had been an altar 1663 01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:16,940 boy in all this but he was good how that 1664 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:19,280 occurred but be that as it may the for 1665 01:10:22,170 --> 01:10:20,290 entity 1666 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:22,180 seemed to come down the little hallway 1667 01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:24,370 into the living room this is where I 1668 01:10:28,410 --> 01:10:26,260 really learned this in my first major 1669 01:10:30,150 --> 01:10:28,420 poltergeist case and I really learned 1670 01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:30,160 the hard way that you do not get angry 1671 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:33,520 in the presence of these things you did 1672 01:10:38,130 --> 01:10:35,530 not get fearful you try to remain as 1673 01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:38,140 calm as possible because they feed on 1674 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:41,350 this one of them stood in front of me 1675 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:43,810 and when I say one of them I could feel 1676 01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:46,330 it absolute certainty that this presence 1677 01:10:53,340 --> 01:10:48,910 was there and you could see sort of a 1678 01:10:55,290 --> 01:10:53,350 gauzy structure and this thing kind of 1679 01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:55,300 moved I put the little girl behind me 1680 01:10:59,100 --> 01:10:57,010 put my seat behind me to protect her I 1681 01:11:00,840 --> 01:10:59,110 was reading up a prayer at the time the 1682 01:11:04,590 --> 01:11:00,850 think and I I just sort of instantly 1683 01:11:07,650 --> 01:11:04,600 kind of pushed against it it pushed back 1684 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:07,660 and I felt physical structure and that 1685 01:11:11,820 --> 01:11:09,730 really set me into confusion I knew was 1686 01:11:14,820 --> 01:11:11,830 after the child and I began to get angry 1687 01:11:17,610 --> 01:11:14,830 it got stronger and stronger it got 1688 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:17,620 behind me threw her across the room and 1689 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:19,570 at this point the energy in this I think 1690 01:11:23,190 --> 01:11:21,010 if you lit a match the place would have 1691 01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:23,200 gone up you could smell this sort of an 1692 01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:25,510 ozone smell and everything else and and 1693 01:11:30,150 --> 01:11:27,489 these I guess everybody out of the house 1694 01:11:33,150 --> 01:11:30,160 so we all moved out onto the front 1695 01:11:35,370 --> 01:11:33,160 sidewalk it started to sleep fortunately 1696 01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:35,380 the police had cordoned off each end of 1697 01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:37,840 the street because the this had gotten 1698 01:11:42,209 --> 01:11:40,239 out to the press Edie Warren was big 1699 01:11:44,190 --> 01:11:42,219 working with the press the ironic I've 1700 01:11:45,450 --> 01:11:44,200 been a journalist for 35 years the last 1701 01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:45,460 thing I would do is call the press and 1702 01:11:49,020 --> 01:11:47,050 how many of these things fortunately I 1703 01:11:50,190 --> 01:11:49,030 had we walked out you know several hours 1704 01:11:51,090 --> 01:11:50,200 before we would've been in the middle of 1705 01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:51,100 the crowd and that would have been 1706 01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:52,930 unbelievably in part there they lock 1707 01:11:56,940 --> 01:11:55,180 word so they cordoned off the street and 1708 01:11:58,620 --> 01:11:56,950 and I went next door because these are 1709 01:11:59,940 --> 01:11:58,630 the days long before cellphones or 1710 01:12:01,800 --> 01:11:59,950 anything like this and I asked the 1711 01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:01,810 neighbour if I could use the phone the 1712 01:12:05,820 --> 01:12:04,360 kids said mommy the priest wants to use 1713 01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:05,830 the phone they always the name is they 1714 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:07,540 mixed me up with father Charbonneau I 1715 01:12:12,180 --> 01:12:10,210 went into the house something knocked on 1716 01:12:14,220 --> 01:12:12,190 the door three times nothing was there 1717 01:12:16,530 --> 01:12:14,230 at least didn't look we couldn't see it 1718 01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:16,540 and I called the Warrens and it took 1719 01:12:20,490 --> 01:12:19,180 them an hour to get ten miles from their 1720 01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:20,500 house back into the city of Bridgeport 1721 01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:23,140 because of the traffic that really 1722 01:12:27,930 --> 01:12:24,940 stands and I said well I thought these 1723 01:12:30,189 --> 01:12:27,940 were spirits why am i feeling a physical 1724 01:12:32,830 --> 01:12:30,199 body pushing back 1725 01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:32,840 and today I think of course we're 1726 01:12:38,380 --> 01:12:35,570 dealing with the trans world entities as 1727 01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:38,390 it were Multi versal entities that can 1728 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:41,449 at least reach into other worlds and 1729 01:12:44,350 --> 01:12:43,010 I've seen them I suppose you could 1730 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:44,360 almost compare with an octopus said of 1731 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:45,770 reaching in the different parallel 1732 01:12:49,660 --> 01:12:47,210 worlds at the same time one case in 1733 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:49,670 Pennsylvania another one in Maine and I 1734 01:12:53,169 --> 01:12:51,650 think that's kind of panned out but this 1735 01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,179 was my first experience with that and 1736 01:12:57,550 --> 01:12:55,040 that's what really stands out for me 1737 01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:57,560 would that particular case personally 1738 01:13:01,330 --> 01:12:59,360 there were a lot of other public things 1739 01:13:03,959 --> 01:13:01,340 that occurred I remember one police 1740 01:13:07,419 --> 01:13:03,969 officer that first day on Sunday 1741 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:07,429 witnessing the refrigerator thing and he 1742 01:13:11,770 --> 01:13:10,010 backed out of the house backed down the 1743 01:13:14,530 --> 01:13:11,780 sidewalk to his cruiser wouldn't come 1744 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:14,540 out in 1998 I was doing a book signing 1745 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:16,730 for my book faces at the window in 1746 01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:18,530 Warwick Rhode Island and a woman came up 1747 01:13:22,570 --> 01:13:20,510 to me and said you know my father was a 1748 01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:22,580 firefighter in Bridgeport Connecticut in 1749 01:13:28,270 --> 01:13:25,910 1974 he was in that house and we 1750 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:28,280 couldn't find him for three days and she 1751 01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:29,810 said he turned out he was in the the 1752 01:13:33,939 --> 01:13:32,239 apartment above their garage nobody knew 1753 01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:33,949 it and he was afraid to come up because 1754 01:13:38,169 --> 01:13:36,080 of what he's seen in that house now 1755 01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:38,179 these these are huge you know strapping 1756 01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,679 guys obviously you know police officers 1757 01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,080 and firefighters and you know they don't 1758 01:13:46,419 --> 01:13:44,239 mess around and they were floored and of 1759 01:13:48,490 --> 01:13:46,429 course in in bill halls book many of 1760 01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:48,500 them are interviewed about what they saw 1761 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:51,170 in in the house so he played an audio 1762 01:13:56,830 --> 01:13:55,010 tape for us as well sure yeah yeah I was 1763 01:13:59,800 --> 01:13:56,840 astounded that many of those tapes I had 1764 01:14:01,540 --> 01:13:59,810 never heard and he gave me one with you 1765 01:14:03,220 --> 01:14:01,550 can hear me in the background when 1766 01:14:04,510 --> 01:14:03,230 Lorraine Warren was sitting at the table 1767 01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:04,520 and and a second-degree burn 1768 01:14:08,770 --> 01:14:07,190 spontaneously appeared on her hand right 1769 01:14:09,340 --> 01:14:08,780 in front of me and in front of a police 1770 01:14:11,169 --> 01:14:09,350 officer 1771 01:14:12,729 --> 01:14:11,179 you know nobody had been smoking there 1772 01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,739 was nothing that could have caused such 1773 01:14:16,270 --> 01:14:15,199 a burn and Edie was very concerned he 1774 01:14:16,990 --> 01:14:16,280 said you know spontaneous human 1775 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:17,000 combustion 1776 01:14:20,979 --> 01:14:18,650 could happen in this house and you 1777 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:20,989 should leave that's another issue that 1778 01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:25,850 would be rather disconcerting since 1779 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:28,310 we're on the subject of this but the 1780 01:14:34,060 --> 01:14:30,890 Bridgeport case it kind of begs the 1781 01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:34,070 question of what kind of things need to 1782 01:14:37,959 --> 01:14:36,110 line up what sort of causal elements do 1783 01:14:40,689 --> 01:14:37,969 you think need to line up for these 1784 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:40,699 types of of occurrences or outbreaks to 1785 01:14:43,370 --> 01:14:41,610 occur 1786 01:14:44,780 --> 01:14:43,380 seemed to be a lot of ducks that has to 1787 01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:44,790 be lined up so to speak for this to 1788 01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:46,770 occur but they are rather predictable I 1789 01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:50,250 always look at the the status of the 1790 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:53,370 family in other or whenever whoever's in 1791 01:14:58,280 --> 01:14:55,530 the household and you do find 1792 01:15:00,230 --> 01:14:58,290 poltergeists among people I've had cases 1793 01:15:01,940 --> 01:15:00,240 that are out metal Awards old abandoned 1794 01:15:04,510 --> 01:15:01,950 villages that I think also are parallel 1795 01:15:07,010 --> 01:15:04,520 worlds and pasts in future whatever 1796 01:15:08,810 --> 01:15:07,020 intersecting however in poltergeist 1797 01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:08,820 cases where you have you know the 1798 01:15:13,580 --> 01:15:11,520 violent activities the hostile or the 1799 01:15:15,980 --> 01:15:13,590 negativity that go on with these 1800 01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:15,990 entities you always have people involved 1801 01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,770 and it's strange there seem to be 1802 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:21,120 negative factors that that are generally 1803 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:24,330 present a lot of stress very often you 1804 01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,490 have someone who has been confined to 1805 01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:29,040 the house for long periods and sort of 1806 01:15:33,050 --> 01:15:31,170 as a ready food source so to speak for 1807 01:15:35,450 --> 01:15:33,060 these things and in the bridgeport case 1808 01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:35,460 you had that the child Marcia who had 1809 01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:38,580 been very very as smothered by her 1810 01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:41,040 parents they had lost a little boy 1811 01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:43,410 earlier above their natural child 1812 01:15:48,860 --> 01:15:46,050 several years before and they had 1813 01:15:51,860 --> 01:15:48,870 adopted Marcia and we're just all very 1814 01:15:53,780 --> 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--> 01:20:34,570 to stock on hand and remember the freeze 1939 01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,310 dry guy pays for shipping to your door 1940 01:20:40,290 --> 01:20:38,320 within the lower 48 states order now to 1941 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:40,300 miss out on the freeze dry guys end of 1942 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:42,250 your case left sale call eight six six 1943 01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:44,410 four oh four three six six three or 1944 01:20:56,750 --> 01:20:53,030 either to make Pope you're listening to 1945 01:20:58,820 --> 01:20:56,760 the Paragard now I don't know about you 1946 01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:58,830 but if there was a poltergeist in this 1947 01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:00,960 house that we live in and I won't 1948 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:03,540 describe it it's not obviously the most 1949 01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:05,610 luxurious house in the world far from it 1950 01:21:10,220 --> 01:21:07,800 I'd be going in the other direction real 1951 01:21:12,380 --> 01:21:10,230 real fast that's me 1952 01:21:15,230 --> 01:21:12,390 Paulina would you do that if there was a 1953 01:21:17,300 --> 01:21:15,240 poltergeist at your home would you and 1954 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:17,310 your wife just say you know what we 1955 01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,770 don't need this well one of the benefits 1956 01:21:23,060 --> 01:21:21,360 of being an investigator of this stuff 1957 01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:23,070 is that one does not expect one's own 1958 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:25,050 house to be haunted so to speak you know 1959 01:21:30,050 --> 01:21:27,810 so we haven't had the pleasure but in 1960 01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:30,060 the Bridgeport house yeah yeah they did 1961 01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:32,730 and the parents of course what are the 1962 01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:34,290 interesting things about this and I 1963 01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:37,650 often see this is that highly religious 1964 01:21:43,610 --> 01:21:40,800 people with negative spiritualities seem 1965 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:43,620 to be prone not prone but what when you 1966 01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:44,930 have people having trouble with this 1967 01:21:48,590 --> 01:21:47,400 very often you find people of that kind 1968 01:21:52,010 --> 01:21:48,600 and the Gooden's were that kind of 1969 01:21:54,230 --> 01:21:52,020 couple a lot of religious objects around 1970 01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:54,240 the house a photograph older your 1971 01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:56,310 pictures and paintings and crosses 1972 01:22:01,400 --> 01:21:58,980 things of this kind crucifixes but the 1973 01:22:03,860 --> 01:22:01,410 old-time Roman Catholic spirituality not 1974 01:22:06,370 --> 01:22:03,870 always but very often was very negative 1975 01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:06,380 you know based on fear rather than 1976 01:22:10,430 --> 01:22:09,510 positive energies like love you know go 1977 01:22:14,570 --> 01:22:10,440 into a house like that 1978 01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:14,580 if I see a velvet Jesus painting and I 1979 01:22:21,710 --> 01:22:17,310 start to break out in hives I get real 1980 01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:21,720 nervous probably for good reason faith 1981 01:22:25,460 --> 01:22:23,940 is supposed to be positive in this sort 1982 01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:25,470 of thing and it can be a great power 1983 01:22:29,930 --> 01:22:27,090 however again in this particular 1984 01:22:32,540 --> 01:22:29,940 situation it was not a couple that with 1985 01:22:35,260 --> 01:22:32,550 the child being kept in the house the 1986 01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:35,270 negative feelings there also there was 1987 01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:38,880 there are geotechnics actors strangely 1988 01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:40,590 enough that affect this thing we find I 1989 01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:43,110 used to bring a tili-tili translated 1990 01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:45,270 himself like we used to bring a soil 1991 01:22:52,220 --> 01:22:48,480 engineer with us and he would be able to 1992 01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:52,230 tell if there was soil of a clay or sand 1993 01:22:57,740 --> 01:22:54,690 under the site or high water table this 1994 01:23:00,350 --> 01:22:57,750 sort of thing because that tends to for 1995 01:23:02,380 --> 01:23:00,360 in my opinion conduct unless the water 1996 01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:02,390 is distilled like a huge natural battery 1997 01:23:06,610 --> 01:23:03,920 alternative is 1998 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:06,620 in water you know precisely now of 1999 01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:08,330 course in those days I didn't think to 2000 01:23:12,700 --> 01:23:09,710 look for that and we didn't really look 2001 01:23:15,070 --> 01:23:12,710 outside the house but Bill Hall has done 2002 01:23:18,130 --> 01:23:15,080 that and he found out that that the area 2003 01:23:20,380 --> 01:23:18,140 of course underneath the that vicinity 2004 01:23:22,990 --> 01:23:20,390 is not far from the Long Island Sound 2005 01:23:24,370 --> 01:23:23,000 and they do tend to be high water tables 2006 01:23:25,540 --> 01:23:24,380 and all this sort of stuff so what if 2007 01:23:28,150 --> 01:23:25,550 that's a factor that might have 2008 01:23:30,189 --> 01:23:28,160 contributed I also have found in ensuing 2009 01:23:31,780 --> 01:23:30,199 years that these things never affect 2010 01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:31,790 just one house and one family they 2011 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:35,090 always last spillover and in fact an 2012 01:23:40,030 --> 01:23:37,610 entire area and so bill looked into that 2013 01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:40,040 and sure enough other people in the air 2014 01:23:43,780 --> 01:23:41,690 a reported for now I'm gonna add about 2015 01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,790 at the same time not nothing is dramatic 2016 01:23:47,050 --> 01:23:45,679 and of course after what was going on 2017 01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:47,060 they wouldn't have dared reported but 2018 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:49,010 nevertheless these thing it was bigger 2019 01:23:54,750 --> 01:23:52,010 than that one small house so I think 2020 01:23:58,030 --> 01:23:54,760 those are all factors there geotechnical 2021 01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:58,040 spiritual you know psychiatric that that 2022 01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:00,080 would all contribute and have to come 2023 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:02,330 together in just the right way for a 2024 01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:04,010 poltergeist to occur because they they 2025 01:24:08,169 --> 01:24:06,320 do not seem to be common of course 2026 01:24:11,020 --> 01:24:08,179 things could happen that we don't notice 2027 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:11,030 if you put your keys down on the table 2028 01:24:13,959 --> 01:24:12,410 you turn around and they're gone 2029 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:13,969 yeah it's weird but you know by the end 2030 01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:15,290 of the day usually you forget about it 2031 01:24:18,370 --> 01:24:16,790 and say well it's one of those things 2032 01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,380 you know but it's only when something 2033 01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,480 starts throwing pictures at you or 2034 01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:22,400 picking you up and throw you across the 2035 01:24:25,419 --> 01:24:23,840 room that you start to notice it so 2036 01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:25,429 these things could be far more common 2037 01:24:30,459 --> 01:24:27,920 and could be just multiversal rather 2038 01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,469 than entities doing it when you do have 2039 01:24:33,939 --> 01:24:31,760 these entities involved I think it 2040 01:24:35,740 --> 01:24:33,949 becomes much more dramatic one part of 2041 01:24:40,540 --> 01:24:35,750 æneas burns would be a good indication 2042 01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,550 that you are people often say well 2043 01:24:44,290 --> 01:24:42,800 though the ghosts did it or the entities 2044 01:24:45,550 --> 01:24:44,300 were doing all this stuff I don't know 2045 01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:45,560 about that there are many times when 2046 01:24:49,410 --> 01:24:47,570 something will happen something will 2047 01:24:51,070 --> 01:24:49,420 move or there'll be an obvious 2048 01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,080 teleportation or whatever you want to 2049 01:24:55,390 --> 01:24:54,080 whatever it may be and I just haven't 2050 01:24:57,070 --> 01:24:55,400 felt the presence of any kind of 2051 01:24:58,720 --> 01:24:57,080 entities because it's just like when you 2052 01:25:00,850 --> 01:24:58,730 know somebody like you know you know 2053 01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,860 what to look for it's very obvious that 2054 01:25:05,620 --> 01:25:03,280 they're there and I think very often the 2055 01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:05,630 intersects themselves will create 2056 01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:08,090 situations where something will move 2057 01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:09,650 when the refrigerator which weighed 2058 01:25:12,919 --> 01:25:12,050 about 300 pounds lift it off the floor 2059 01:25:15,319 --> 01:25:12,929 and that 2060 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:15,329 in several times it might very well have 2061 01:25:22,069 --> 01:25:19,010 been pass-throughs brains pran is again 2062 01:25:23,839 --> 01:25:22,079 boundaries passing over from worlds 2063 01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:23,849 where the laws of physics are not quite 2064 01:25:28,729 --> 01:25:26,369 the same I didn't feel any entities in 2065 01:25:30,649 --> 01:25:28,739 the room when those things occurred and 2066 01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:30,659 I could be wrong but I think that very 2067 01:25:34,759 --> 01:25:32,880 often it's just the energies that are 2068 01:25:37,219 --> 01:25:34,769 involved if you leave something at the 2069 01:25:39,290 --> 01:25:37,229 edge of the surf then the tides gonna 2070 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:39,300 rise it's gonna fall and it's not like 2071 01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,130 anybody's deliberately moving an object 2072 01:25:45,229 --> 01:25:43,679 but the energy of the surf will just 2073 01:25:46,669 --> 01:25:45,239 move it and it's not deliberate and 2074 01:25:49,729 --> 01:25:46,679 nobody's particular name in particular 2075 01:25:51,620 --> 01:25:49,739 is doing it but it's it's happening in 2076 01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:51,630 the same way I often say well if you run 2077 01:25:55,759 --> 01:25:53,489 down the hallway to answer the door 2078 01:25:57,290 --> 01:25:55,769 you're going to stir up air and you 2079 01:25:59,209 --> 01:25:57,300 might blow some papers off a desk you 2080 01:26:01,969 --> 01:25:59,219 didn't throw them off the desk but the 2081 01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:01,979 energies involved did that so I think 2082 01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:03,510 that's another possibility but 2083 01:26:05,870 --> 01:26:04,289 definitely there 2084 01:26:08,929 --> 01:26:05,880 in my opinion where some entities 2085 01:26:11,629 --> 01:26:08,939 involved well I think culture also comes 2086 01:26:14,540 --> 01:26:11,639 into play here and now if this event and 2087 01:26:16,189 --> 01:26:14,550 it happened and let's say rehad or 2088 01:26:17,959 --> 01:26:16,199 somewhere in the Middle East the 2089 01:26:19,489 --> 01:26:17,969 automatic assumption culturally I think 2090 01:26:22,279 --> 01:26:19,499 there would be that there's a genuine 2091 01:26:23,689 --> 01:26:22,289 ball and fellow New Englander rosemary 2092 01:26:25,699 --> 01:26:23,699 ellen guiley has been on the show a 2093 01:26:27,859 --> 01:26:25,709 number of times and actually gone out 2094 01:26:29,299 --> 01:26:27,869 and done some investigating on some 2095 01:26:31,879 --> 01:26:29,309 cases with her she's very very 2096 01:26:33,589 --> 01:26:31,889 accomplished in the field she's becoming 2097 01:26:35,540 --> 01:26:33,599 more and more convinced that there's a 2098 01:26:39,229 --> 01:26:35,550 connection between many of these 2099 01:26:42,140 --> 01:26:39,239 locations specific events and presences 2100 01:26:43,459 --> 01:26:42,150 and the whole concept of the Djinn where 2101 01:26:46,009 --> 01:26:43,469 do you come down on that and have you 2102 01:26:47,899 --> 01:26:46,019 done much of a pondering of that 2103 01:26:51,140 --> 01:26:47,909 particular potential connection only 2104 01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:51,150 with rosemary who happens to be writing 2105 01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:53,130 the preface for my next book that I'm 2106 01:26:57,679 --> 01:26:55,170 writing on my own but yeah so we talked 2107 01:26:59,839 --> 01:26:57,689 about this this a lot you know and that 2108 01:27:03,709 --> 01:26:59,849 gets back to I always pay attention to 2109 01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:03,719 to who contacts us for any kind of 2110 01:27:10,879 --> 01:27:06,650 assistance and very often it is 2111 01:27:13,129 --> 01:27:10,889 Caucasian suburbanite who are in many 2112 01:27:15,290 --> 01:27:13,139 may be been in different countries but 2113 01:27:18,410 --> 01:27:15,300 who have the same cultural background as 2114 01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:18,420 say the Gooden's or at least your 2115 01:27:23,779 --> 01:27:21,420 general garden-variety European American 2116 01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:23,789 or Australian or whatever Canadian and 2117 01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:25,040 this thing and I noticed 2118 01:27:30,910 --> 01:27:28,400 they're a very very few there are some 2119 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:30,920 very few african-americans or Hispanics 2120 01:27:35,860 --> 01:27:33,890 will contact us because they tend to 2121 01:27:37,900 --> 01:27:35,870 have their own beliefs about this and 2122 01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:37,910 have their own remedies so these things 2123 01:27:42,250 --> 01:27:40,880 that maybe in America say very much more 2124 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:42,260 widespread that we realize but they 2125 01:27:45,670 --> 01:27:43,970 aren't reported because you have a 2126 01:27:47,410 --> 01:27:45,680 people from cultural backgrounds where 2127 01:27:49,660 --> 01:27:47,420 they have their own ways of dealing with 2128 01:27:52,570 --> 01:27:49,670 it I know I have some Asian neighbors 2129 01:27:54,580 --> 01:27:52,580 who have said that that they and their 2130 01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:54,590 their several generations very very 2131 01:27:59,080 --> 01:27:56,570 Americanized but they still would turn 2132 01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,090 to their leaders of their own culture in 2133 01:28:03,100 --> 01:28:01,280 the cases where these things might occur 2134 01:28:05,950 --> 01:28:03,110 so again it might be much more 2135 01:28:07,810 --> 01:28:05,960 widespread than we think but things are 2136 01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:07,820 just not reported to the usual suspects 2137 01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:09,890 such as rosemary ellen guiley or myself 2138 01:28:14,530 --> 01:28:12,560 and ben and the jinn of course that 2139 01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:14,540 that's a term from the Arab world it's 2140 01:28:17,890 --> 01:28:16,310 very well we have we do have Muslim 2141 01:28:19,450 --> 01:28:17,900 people who write to us though and say 2142 01:28:22,150 --> 01:28:19,460 boy you know you really hit us on the 2143 01:28:24,670 --> 01:28:22,160 head when it came to the jinn or even 2144 01:28:26,410 --> 01:28:24,680 the multi-verse thing is is you know it 2145 01:28:29,260 --> 01:28:26,420 rings a bell with us because the Quran 2146 01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:29,270 talks about it so it always uses the 2147 01:28:34,090 --> 01:28:31,760 term world in the plural talks about 2148 01:28:36,850 --> 01:28:34,100 worlds so this sort of thing so there 2149 01:28:39,370 --> 01:28:36,860 are there are some some universal 2150 01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:39,380 concepts that I think the multiverse 2151 01:28:43,300 --> 01:28:42,050 idea is bringing us to but still at this 2152 01:28:44,770 --> 01:28:43,310 point I think there are cultural 2153 01:28:48,010 --> 01:28:44,780 differences and how people deal with it 2154 01:28:49,630 --> 01:28:48,020 well yeah and I agree it's interesting 2155 01:28:53,140 --> 01:28:49,640 to me though that when you start looking 2156 01:28:55,660 --> 01:28:53,150 at at more location specific phenomena 2157 01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:55,670 or events that seem to be centered 2158 01:29:00,690 --> 01:28:58,610 around particular locations whether they 2159 01:29:03,190 --> 01:29:00,700 ever flow whether it's just an outbreak 2160 01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:03,200 in the case of the bridgeport case for 2161 01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:05,450 instance or whether it's something that 2162 01:29:09,870 --> 01:29:08,000 tends to reoccur over the years there 2163 01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:09,880 seems to be some sort of geo-specific 2164 01:29:15,610 --> 01:29:12,650 attraction I think there's some sort of 2165 01:29:18,900 --> 01:29:15,620 magnet sort of sense about a particular 2166 01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:18,910 location that tends to have reoccurring 2167 01:29:24,730 --> 01:29:21,440 reports as far as the cultural thing 2168 01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:24,740 having been in southern Colorado for 2169 01:29:28,810 --> 01:29:26,090 quite a number of years thirteen years 2170 01:29:32,410 --> 01:29:28,820 and doing investigations among a 2171 01:29:34,030 --> 01:29:32,420 predominantly Hispanic population gets a 2172 01:29:35,860 --> 01:29:34,040 point well taken they do have their own 2173 01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:35,870 ways of dealing with things and there 2174 01:29:39,580 --> 01:29:36,450 are sore 2175 01:29:42,350 --> 01:29:39,590 you know cultural remedies if you will 2176 01:29:45,290 --> 01:29:42,360 but that doesn't necessarily mean that 2177 01:29:47,480 --> 01:29:45,300 they they they they're not gonna exhaust 2178 01:29:49,190 --> 01:29:47,490 all efforts to get to the bottom of 2179 01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:49,200 something if a particular cultural 2180 01:29:54,590 --> 01:29:51,450 approach doesn't work I would tend to be 2181 01:29:56,510 --> 01:29:54,600 the one to get the call and it was very 2182 01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:56,520 fascinating to me to find out how 2183 01:30:02,960 --> 01:29:59,760 different cultures do have particular 2184 01:30:05,140 --> 01:30:02,970 set of beliefs around an unexplained 2185 01:30:07,970 --> 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major credit or debit card 2296 01:34:39,480 --> 01:34:37,210 call 185 v 905 my TV one 855 905 my TV 2297 01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:39,490 say goodbye to the Cable Guy 2298 01:34:56,250 --> 01:34:43,810 cut costs and get more one 855 905 mytv 2299 01:34:59,370 --> 01:34:56,260 180 55 905 my TV you're listening to the 2300 01:35:06,690 --> 01:34:59,380 podcast the gold standard of normal 2301 01:35:08,490 --> 01:35:06,700 radio yeah pal you know joining gene and 2302 01:35:12,180 --> 01:35:08,500 Chris on the power cast this week this 2303 01:35:15,150 --> 01:35:12,190 is our last show for 2014 and Chris was 2304 01:35:17,490 --> 01:35:15,160 engaging in a long description 2305 01:35:21,060 --> 01:35:17,500 explanation there that Paul wants to 2306 01:35:23,550 --> 01:35:21,070 respond to or add to yes on the issue of 2307 01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:23,560 the cultural aspects of how to deal with 2308 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:25,300 these things or how people approach them 2309 01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:27,850 yeah there isn't a cult aspect Chris as 2310 01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:30,490 you say that with this particularly with 2311 01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:33,940 people who are descended from indigenous 2312 01:35:36,990 --> 01:35:35,650 cultures and that could be good that 2313 01:35:40,260 --> 01:35:37,000 could be bad on the other hand with 2314 01:35:43,230 --> 01:35:40,270 Latinos I often find that they are Roman 2315 01:35:46,050 --> 01:35:43,240 Catholic in background and in in the the 2316 01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:46,060 old days people would call us and from 2317 01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:49,360 from that particular culture because we 2318 01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:50,800 shared a religion okay 2319 01:35:55,470 --> 01:35:52,960 and the approach in that sense was the 2320 01:35:58,110 --> 01:35:55,480 same but there is indeed as you say the 2321 01:36:00,030 --> 01:35:58,120 bruja bruja approach and we have a lot 2322 01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:00,040 of listeners in Mexico for some reason 2323 01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:02,110 they will report to us on many of the 2324 01:36:06,260 --> 01:36:03,850 the sightings that occur of these 2325 01:36:08,340 --> 01:36:06,270 alleged you know witches and things 2326 01:36:10,140 --> 01:36:08,350 flying through the air in this business 2327 01:36:12,030 --> 01:36:10,150 and the UFOs and the things happening in 2328 01:36:13,860 --> 01:36:12,040 their houses and all this so there was a 2329 01:36:16,670 --> 01:36:13,870 certain as I say a certain universal 2330 01:36:19,860 --> 01:36:16,680 aspect one thing I didn't touch on is 2331 01:36:21,870 --> 01:36:19,870 involvement in the occult as a factor in 2332 01:36:23,490 --> 01:36:21,880 particularly poltergeists or negative 2333 01:36:25,410 --> 01:36:23,500 outbreaks what what are the funny thing 2334 01:36:26,820 --> 01:36:25,420 not to dwell on the bridgeport case but 2335 01:36:28,860 --> 01:36:26,830 one of one of the urban legends that 2336 01:36:30,660 --> 01:36:28,870 arose from that was that Marcy was 2337 01:36:33,090 --> 01:36:30,670 involved in the occult and had an occult 2338 01:36:34,770 --> 01:36:33,100 book that she carried around well that 2339 01:36:37,260 --> 01:36:34,780 was interesting because that book 2340 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:37,270 belonged to me well I left it in the 2341 01:36:40,650 --> 01:36:39,130 living room and it had a funny looking 2342 01:36:42,780 --> 01:36:40,660 cross on the front because it was an 2343 01:36:45,930 --> 01:36:42,790 Eastern Orthodox walking you know the 2344 01:36:49,020 --> 01:36:45,940 Russian crosses have the the three bars 2345 01:36:50,490 --> 01:36:49,030 not just the one right and it can look 2346 01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:50,500 odd and forward and everything else and 2347 01:36:55,290 --> 01:36:53,650 inside half the every other page would 2348 01:36:57,689 --> 01:36:55,300 English and every other page was that 2349 01:36:59,939 --> 01:36:57,699 was in the Cyrillic alphabet in Church 2350 01:37:02,040 --> 01:36:59,949 Slavonic but it's a wrong set of eyes 2351 01:37:03,870 --> 01:37:02,050 that could be awful scary-looking some 2352 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:03,880 some reporter a police officer picked it 2353 01:37:07,500 --> 01:37:04,810 up and said aha 2354 01:37:09,660 --> 01:37:07,510 this is Sanskrit now some kind of weird 2355 01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:09,670 Indian and this got carried down the 2356 01:37:13,890 --> 01:37:12,400 decades and I only don't like dawned on 2357 01:37:15,689 --> 01:37:13,900 me when I was doing the interview with 2358 01:37:17,250 --> 01:37:15,699 Bill Hall and he said about the book and 2359 01:37:18,570 --> 01:37:17,260 I actually still have the book and I 2360 01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:18,580 showed it to him if this is a picture of 2361 01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:21,250 the book in the book right so this is 2362 01:37:26,580 --> 01:37:24,130 how this stuff can go on again the use 2363 01:37:29,010 --> 01:37:26,590 of the occult can be a serious problem 2364 01:37:30,510 --> 01:37:29,020 Ouija boards and seances and people will 2365 01:37:31,890 --> 01:37:30,520 sometimes write the show and say oh 2366 01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:31,900 what's the matter with these things so 2367 01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:33,610 what's wrong with them is that you're 2368 01:37:38,970 --> 01:37:36,250 punching holes in the brains in the 2369 01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:38,980 fabric of space-time and you know with a 2370 01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:41,800 sledgehammer rather than letting things 2371 01:37:46,740 --> 01:37:45,040 happen naturally and there's the the the 2372 01:37:49,020 --> 01:37:46,750 other level of believing everything 2373 01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:49,030 you're told I couldn't get over and 2374 01:37:53,130 --> 01:37:51,130 still can't some of the the psychics and 2375 01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:53,140 mediums who you will use these methods 2376 01:37:57,209 --> 01:37:55,690 or will talk to something and believe 2377 01:37:58,560 --> 01:37:57,219 everything they're told to me I don't 2378 01:38:00,780 --> 01:37:58,570 believe half the people I meet on the 2379 01:38:02,610 --> 01:38:00,790 street nevermind something that comes 2380 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:02,620 true you'd have a hard time in Sedona my 2381 01:38:05,820 --> 01:38:04,570 friend Oh been there yeah it's the only 2382 01:38:07,229 --> 01:38:05,830 place I've ever been with you where 2383 01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:07,239 every conversation leads to the 2384 01:38:12,060 --> 01:38:10,330 paranormal somehow yeah I actually I 2385 01:38:14,370 --> 01:38:12,070 gave a talk one time at the well 2386 01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:14,380 well-read coyote the bookstore some 2387 01:38:18,209 --> 01:38:16,330 years ago but is any case when there's a 2388 01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:18,219 cult involved but particularly by you 2389 01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:19,810 often have young people speaking of the 2390 01:38:22,890 --> 01:38:20,890 relationship between parents and 2391 01:38:25,470 --> 01:38:22,900 children young people who are bitter or 2392 01:38:27,780 --> 01:38:25,480 have not been or even have been abused 2393 01:38:29,970 --> 01:38:27,790 or are seeking some sort of refuge and 2394 01:38:31,740 --> 01:38:29,980 they'll find it in the occult because it 2395 01:38:33,330 --> 01:38:31,750 makes them think they have power you 2396 01:38:35,370 --> 01:38:33,340 know I may have fail that this or that 2397 01:38:38,459 --> 01:38:35,380 or my parents might hate me but you know 2398 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:38,469 hey but I have this cosmic being paying 2399 01:38:41,939 --> 01:38:40,330 attention to me who says he's gonna 2400 01:38:44,250 --> 01:38:41,949 guide me into all this stuff I've talked 2401 01:38:46,290 --> 01:38:44,260 about dangerous that can be a major 2402 01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:46,300 factor in ringing the dinner bell for 2403 01:38:49,919 --> 01:38:48,310 what we refer to as parasite so that's 2404 01:38:52,169 --> 01:38:49,929 just a factor I wanted to mention you 2405 01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:52,179 know the parasite question just strikes 2406 01:38:58,680 --> 01:38:56,320 interest in me so if we get in touch 2407 01:39:00,959 --> 01:38:58,690 with some kind of being that claims to 2408 01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:00,969 be a higher being that claims to have 2409 01:39:05,129 --> 01:39:03,850 our best interests at the heart of the 2410 01:39:06,540 --> 01:39:05,139 situation 2411 01:39:09,810 --> 01:39:06,550 should we run in the other direction 2412 01:39:12,899 --> 01:39:09,820 that implies that we should generally I 2413 01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:12,909 would say yes because everything is out 2414 01:39:16,859 --> 01:39:14,770 there in the in these parallel worlds 2415 01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:16,869 and as I say you know the the idea from 2416 01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:18,570 quantum physics is that every 2417 01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:21,520 possibility every probability actually 2418 01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:24,010 exists in concrete reality and one form 2419 01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:26,080 or another somewhere or some win in the 2420 01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:29,530 multiverse and many of them are aware of 2421 01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:32,530 other worlds and they will pray oh it's 2422 01:39:36,330 --> 01:39:34,090 how though that's what their food source 2423 01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:36,340 is so that is a distinct possibility 2424 01:39:40,169 --> 01:39:38,170 when something says it's going to is 2425 01:39:41,970 --> 01:39:40,179 pushing your buttons and says it's going 2426 01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:41,980 to help you I think it is a good idea to 2427 01:39:46,530 --> 01:39:43,570 run the other way on the other hand 2428 01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:46,540 there are many I suppose you could call 2429 01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:48,850 them guardians or I suppose like us 2430 01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,650 working at volunteering at a soup 2431 01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:52,719 kitchen you know that kind of thing 2432 01:39:58,350 --> 01:39:54,730 there there is charitable feeling among 2433 01:39:59,970 --> 01:39:58,360 many positive beings out in the 2434 01:40:04,859 --> 01:39:59,980 multi-verse here all kind of all around 2435 01:40:07,950 --> 01:40:04,869 us and that is I think a sober concrete 2436 01:40:10,260 --> 01:40:07,960 reality whatever that kind of contact 2437 01:40:14,669 --> 01:40:10,270 occurs I always find it to be very quiet 2438 01:40:18,090 --> 01:40:14,679 and unassuming and very very very much 2439 01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:18,100 not I'm here to help you kind of thing 2440 01:40:22,260 --> 01:40:20,530 well how does one know if you receive 2441 01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:22,270 this kind of contact whether you 2442 01:40:26,459 --> 01:40:24,400 expected it whether you believe it 2443 01:40:27,930 --> 01:40:26,469 whether it comes out of the blue is 2444 01:40:30,090 --> 01:40:27,940 there any way for you to look at this 2445 01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:30,100 and say well maybe I should trust this 2446 01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:32,110 person it may be that they look 2447 01:40:35,820 --> 01:40:33,280 perfectly normal 2448 01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:35,830 yeah it's it's always best I think if 2449 01:40:41,970 --> 01:40:38,770 possible to ignore it but barring that I 2450 01:40:43,859 --> 01:40:41,980 think that if wishful thinking gets in 2451 01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:43,869 the way that's where the danger is you 2452 01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:45,760 know as I say the idea that hey I'm 2453 01:40:50,939 --> 01:40:47,199 being paid attention to by something 2454 01:40:54,330 --> 01:40:50,949 less I'm super being here or if you feel 2455 01:40:56,910 --> 01:40:54,340 in any way at all uncomfortable and that 2456 01:40:58,859 --> 01:40:56,920 this is where it's good that to be a 2457 01:41:01,260 --> 01:40:58,869 person who's involved maybe with with 2458 01:41:04,140 --> 01:41:01,270 knowing how to be silent knowing how to 2459 01:41:06,510 --> 01:41:04,150 be quiet meditation perhaps in a 2460 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:06,520 positive sense and then you can sort of 2461 01:41:11,129 --> 01:41:08,770 tell what your own feelings are if you 2462 01:41:13,850 --> 01:41:11,139 feel any discomfort whatsoever and you 2463 01:41:17,959 --> 01:41:13,860 feel anything other than love and 2464 01:41:20,719 --> 01:41:17,969 sobriety and silence and and goodness 2465 01:41:22,129 --> 01:41:20,729 I would say that's a danger sign you 2466 01:41:23,390 --> 01:41:22,139 know when you don't feel just those 2467 01:41:24,620 --> 01:41:23,400 things when you feel any sort of 2468 01:41:25,969 --> 01:41:24,630 discomfort whatsoever 2469 01:41:28,459 --> 01:41:25,979 sometimes I'll meet some of these 2470 01:41:30,379 --> 01:41:28,469 psychics and mediums and shake their 2471 01:41:31,850 --> 01:41:30,389 hand and it just you know I want to I'm 2472 01:41:34,219 --> 01:41:31,860 the kind of person who wants to like 2473 01:41:36,049 --> 01:41:34,229 other people been balances me out that 2474 01:41:37,310 --> 01:41:36,059 way because he is the best sharpest 2475 01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:37,320 judge of character I've ever known 2476 01:41:39,500 --> 01:41:38,489 I'll say dad there's something wrong 2477 01:41:41,930 --> 01:41:39,510 with this guy and I'll say yeah you know 2478 01:41:44,060 --> 01:41:41,940 you're right when I his hand or her hand 2479 01:41:46,899 --> 01:41:44,070 I felt something a little bit strange 2480 01:41:49,310 --> 01:41:46,909 you know so any kind of hint of 2481 01:41:51,290 --> 01:41:49,320 something wrong or discomfort or in like 2482 01:41:53,689 --> 01:41:51,300 that I'd say that's a good sign that 2483 01:41:55,100 --> 01:41:53,699 it's a bad sign so to speak that it's 2484 01:42:01,580 --> 01:41:55,110 not not a good not a good connection 2485 01:42:02,959 --> 01:42:01,590 good sign that it's a bad sign you know 2486 01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:02,969 people always come to me and say well 2487 01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:04,170 Kay will you communicate with these 2488 01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,510 these entities that you say you know 2489 01:42:09,770 --> 01:42:08,400 your your meaning silent no I like the 2490 01:42:12,020 --> 01:42:09,780 guy in the hallway there at the mental 2491 01:42:13,879 --> 01:42:12,030 hospital I said we are I could be wrong 2492 01:42:16,850 --> 01:42:13,889 but I'm gonna hang here after you know 2493 01:42:18,290 --> 01:42:16,860 45 years almost of doing this I like to 2494 01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:18,300 think I kind of know what to look for 2495 01:42:21,890 --> 01:42:19,920 now again I could be wrong about this 2496 01:42:23,689 --> 01:42:21,900 and it could be I could be a fool maybe 2497 01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:23,699 for even trying to do this but then I 2498 01:42:27,739 --> 01:42:26,130 don't try it when it happens I opened 2499 01:42:29,419 --> 01:42:27,749 myself up to what if I believe that 2500 01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:29,429 there's nothing strange you know nothing 2501 01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:31,110 wrong with the thing and this is what it 2502 01:42:34,850 --> 01:42:32,880 appears to be and that's that's the 2503 01:42:36,410 --> 01:42:34,860 trouble with the paranormal is very 2504 01:42:38,660 --> 01:42:36,420 little as ever what it actually appears 2505 01:42:41,450 --> 01:42:38,670 to be okay so that takes us to UFOs 2506 01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:41,460 right naturally okay so when we see a 2507 01:42:45,620 --> 01:42:43,170 silvery disc in the sky making 2508 01:42:46,819 --> 01:42:45,630 incredible pinpoint maneuvers are we 2509 01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:46,829 seeing what's there 2510 01:42:51,620 --> 01:42:49,650 well perhaps and perhaps not again 2511 01:42:54,649 --> 01:42:51,630 nothing is what it appears to be really 2512 01:42:56,270 --> 01:42:54,659 we assume that we're dealing with nuts 2513 01:42:57,859 --> 01:42:56,280 and bolts craft that we're very good 2514 01:42:59,629 --> 01:42:57,869 friends with Sam Friedman who's actually 2515 01:43:01,910 --> 01:42:59,639 writing the preface for the book Ben and 2516 01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,920 I are working on and I've had a lot of 2517 01:43:06,799 --> 01:43:03,360 talks he's very much a nuts and bolts 2518 01:43:09,169 --> 01:43:06,809 guy Lisa probably the grandfather of UFO 2519 01:43:10,700 --> 01:43:09,179 research and certainly globally probably 2520 01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:10,710 well lisa among the people who were 2521 01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:14,249 still alive yes yes but I say well I 2522 01:43:18,140 --> 01:43:16,050 think we need to consider too that it's 2523 01:43:20,930 --> 01:43:18,150 not just nuts and bolts that it may not 2524 01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:20,940 be what it appears to be there may be 2525 01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:22,650 more to it now what are the interesting 2526 01:43:25,759 --> 01:43:24,360 folks to talk to and if you haven't had 2527 01:43:28,279 --> 01:43:25,769 them on your show you might want oh is 2528 01:43:31,140 --> 01:43:28,289 Ted Phillips from Missouri and Ted is 2529 01:43:32,490 --> 01:43:31,150 the fellow fool for oh my gosh 2530 01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:32,500 gotta be going on fifty years has 2531 01:43:36,780 --> 01:43:35,290 gathered tremendous amounts of evidence 2532 01:43:40,380 --> 01:43:36,790 here more than anyone else I know of 2533 01:43:42,180 --> 01:43:40,390 actual physical landings by UFOs he's 2534 01:43:43,979 --> 01:43:42,190 been on the show several times oh great 2535 01:43:46,169 --> 01:43:43,989 yeah so you know Ted if you ask him he 2536 01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:46,179 will tell you well the nature of UFO 2537 01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:48,370 seems to have been changing over the 2538 01:43:52,939 --> 01:43:50,770 last twenty years there is less and less 2539 01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:52,949 of the nuts-and-bolts craft with legs 2540 01:43:57,810 --> 01:43:55,690 landing and this sort of thing and 2541 01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:57,820 little guys jumping out and more of the 2542 01:44:04,260 --> 01:44:01,600 light ball phenomenon as he calls it we 2543 01:44:04,649 --> 01:44:04,270 might say the orb phenomenon that sort 2544 01:44:07,110 --> 01:44:04,659 of thing 2545 01:44:10,350 --> 01:44:07,120 more ephemeral ephemeral more ephemeral 2546 01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:10,360 less material so to speak and he 2547 01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:12,850 suggests well one one explanation might 2548 01:44:18,050 --> 01:44:15,040 be that there whoever they are their 2549 01:44:20,610 --> 01:44:18,060 technology may have changed okay 2550 01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:20,620 somewhat maybe is improved that's I 2551 01:44:24,030 --> 01:44:22,449 suppose that's possible on the other 2552 01:44:25,740 --> 01:44:24,040 hand maybe we're just noticing more 2553 01:44:27,870 --> 01:44:25,750 phenomena because everybody's got videos 2554 01:44:31,410 --> 01:44:27,880 and cameras and stuff than we used to 2555 01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:31,420 one of the things I've noticed over the 2556 01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:33,130 past 40 odd years is you know when I 2557 01:44:37,649 --> 01:44:35,310 started out well you know we didn't have 2558 01:44:39,450 --> 01:44:37,659 EMF me there's electromagnetic field 2559 01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:39,460 meters and all this these gadgets the 2560 01:44:42,660 --> 01:44:40,510 people because you know we live in a 2561 01:44:45,180 --> 01:44:42,670 society that's drunk with technology so 2562 01:44:46,740 --> 01:44:45,190 we rely on that unquestioningly but in 2563 01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:46,750 my day and we started out with lucky if 2564 01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:47,890 we had the little cassette tape 2565 01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:51,280 recorders and ordinary cameras with film 2566 01:44:57,780 --> 01:44:53,920 and that's what we would use and I I 2567 01:44:59,580 --> 01:44:57,790 didn't find orbs in the way they have 2568 01:45:01,590 --> 01:44:59,590 emerged in the digital age and I looked 2569 01:45:03,630 --> 01:45:01,600 into it and there are issues of film 2570 01:45:04,740 --> 01:45:03,640 emulsion and this kind of thing and and 2571 01:45:06,510 --> 01:45:04,750 their digital cameras you know 2572 01:45:07,979 --> 01:45:06,520 interpreting things that they 2573 01:45:10,590 --> 01:45:07,989 encountered that people might think that 2574 01:45:13,290 --> 01:45:10,600 their orbs and ghosts and all that being 2575 01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:13,300 aside there there were light phenomena 2576 01:45:17,490 --> 01:45:15,250 but these light ball kind of things 2577 01:45:19,919 --> 01:45:17,500 let's discuss the light ball kind of 2578 01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:19,929 things yeah next segment with Paul Eno 2579 01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:22,330 and gene and Chris you're in the para 2580 01:45:32,109 --> 01:45:29,260 independently leading the way for the 2581 01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:32,119 nation compelling talk for every 2582 01:45:39,669 --> 01:45:36,489 political persuasion we are see and 2583 01:45:41,830 --> 01:45:39,679 Genesis is 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01:46:11,929 to protect from counterfeit and carding 2598 01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:13,790 to a private bank having it led back at 2599 01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:14,239 interest 2600 01:46:17,890 --> 01:46:16,010 forcing taxes to service debt this 2601 01:46:19,359 --> 01:46:17,900 capitalism was Jefferson correct when 2602 01:46:20,979 --> 01:46:19,369 stating a central bank issuing the 2603 01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:20,989 public currency is a greater menace to 2604 01:46:23,859 --> 01:46:22,130 the liberties of the people than a 2605 01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:23,869 standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm 2606 01:46:27,100 --> 01:46:25,280 placing a free silver dollar in a book 2607 01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:27,110 that explains our monetary system call 2608 01:46:33,819 --> 01:46:30,650 for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time 2609 01:46:39,399 --> 01:46:33,829 to understand the system call 866 to 237 2610 01:46:41,290 --> 01:46:39,409 that's 800 686 to 237 on face book on 2611 01:46:43,569 --> 01:46:41,300 the news and in conversations with 2612 01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:43,579 friends or bombarded every day with 2613 01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:45,170 advice on how to be healthier from 2614 01:46:49,780 --> 01:46:47,690 gluten-free and non-gmo diets to how 2615 01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:49,790 much exercise and sleep the body needs 2616 01:46:52,660 --> 01:46:51,170 but how much have you heard about 2617 01:46:54,729 --> 01:46:52,670 alkalizing the body 2618 01:46:56,770 --> 01:46:54,739 alka vision plasma pH drops are a 2619 01:46:59,200 --> 01:46:56,780 holistic and natural way to get your 2620 01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:59,210 body's ph levels back in balance just a 2621 01:47:03,129 --> 01:47:00,800 few drops in water will help your body 2622 01:47:04,899 --> 01:47:03,139 rid itself of harmful waste and even the 2623 01:47:07,689 --> 01:47:04,909 healthiest of diets can be complemented 2624 01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:07,699 with your daily use of alkaviva as my pH 2625 01:47:12,490 --> 01:47:09,679 drops who isn't looking for more vibrant 2626 01:47:15,399 --> 01:47:12,500 vigor and energy now buy two bottles of 2627 01:47:17,919 --> 01:47:15,409 alkaviva pH drops and get $10 off your 2628 01:47:19,930 --> 01:47:17,929 order visit Alka vision comm or call 2629 01:47:22,810 --> 01:47:19,940 eight hundred five point eight seven six 2630 01:47:24,879 --> 01:47:22,820 one five Alka vision plasma pH drops are 2631 01:47:25,580 --> 01:47:24,889 packed with a powerful combination of 2632 01:47:27,950 --> 01:47:25,590 the most 2633 01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:27,960 minerals and compounds open the door to 2634 01:47:32,660 --> 01:47:30,330 greater health vitality and zest for 2635 01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:32,670 life alkalize your body supercharge your 2636 01:47:36,979 --> 01:47:34,320 health call eight hundred five hundred 2637 01:47:44,180 --> 01:47:36,989 six one five or head to alcove is 2638 01:47:52,220 --> 01:47:47,879 welcome back to the para cast the gold 2639 01:47:56,210 --> 01:47:52,230 standard of paranormal radio and now 2640 01:47:58,580 --> 01:47:56,220 here's Jane Steinberg 2641 01:48:02,100 --> 01:47:58,590 [Music] 2642 01:48:04,260 --> 01:48:02,110 hmm light ball kind of things 2643 01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:04,270 interesting way to put it Paulie no tell 2644 01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:06,250 us more okay well yeah that's Ted 2645 01:48:09,930 --> 01:48:08,050 Phillips term but depending on the 2646 01:48:12,810 --> 01:48:09,940 context in which you see them whether in 2647 01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:12,820 a photograph or in the wild might that 2648 01:48:15,570 --> 01:48:14,170 might determine I what that what you 2649 01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:15,580 your interpretation of what they are 2650 01:48:20,490 --> 01:48:17,410 could be in other words if you see one 2651 01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:20,500 in the sky as people frequently do what 2652 01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:22,690 the great Rendlesham forest site in 2653 01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:25,360 England where there was the great sort 2654 01:48:31,770 --> 01:48:28,570 of experience of UFOs by UF Air Force 2655 01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:31,780 Air Force personnel in the 1980s that 2656 01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:33,520 were actually 1980 December of 1980 2657 01:48:37,380 --> 01:48:35,890 where you can store what even been and I 2658 01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:37,390 saw things you would think 2659 01:48:41,310 --> 01:48:39,730 aha UFOs craft landing and this sort of 2660 01:48:43,740 --> 01:48:41,320 thing or if you've seen them in 2661 01:48:45,209 --> 01:48:43,750 someone's living room the light ball 2662 01:48:48,090 --> 01:48:45,219 kind of thing the orb 2663 01:48:50,459 --> 01:48:48,100 people say aha spirit orbs that's 2664 01:48:52,140 --> 01:48:50,469 actually a term that's used or you might 2665 01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:52,150 say well you know obviously it's a ghost 2666 01:48:56,820 --> 01:48:55,600 but I think that whatever they may be as 2667 01:48:58,530 --> 01:48:56,830 soon as you have them figured out they 2668 01:49:01,290 --> 01:48:58,540 think you have them figure that they 2669 01:49:04,650 --> 01:49:01,300 start doing odd things I don't think 2670 01:49:06,330 --> 01:49:04,660 they are spirits as such although I have 2671 01:49:08,850 --> 01:49:06,340 encountered some that seem to be quite 2672 01:49:10,440 --> 01:49:08,860 intelligent follow you around change 2673 01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:10,450 color because ball lightning has been 2674 01:49:14,670 --> 01:49:12,250 known to do the same thing so I think 2675 01:49:17,370 --> 01:49:14,680 they are electrical and I suspect along 2676 01:49:20,220 --> 01:49:17,380 with people like Carl Sagan that you may 2677 01:49:22,290 --> 01:49:20,230 have non carbon-based life-forms in this 2678 01:49:25,110 --> 01:49:22,300 case perhaps plasma-based life-forms 2679 01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:25,120 that live and by the way I would put it 2680 01:49:30,810 --> 01:49:27,130 around the boundaries of parallel worlds 2681 01:49:33,420 --> 01:49:30,820 around these brains be RNAs and perhaps 2682 01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:33,430 have been misinterpreted as something 2683 01:49:37,770 --> 01:49:35,530 that we can understand our listeners are 2684 01:49:40,709 --> 01:49:37,780 aware that this is going we're referring 2685 01:49:42,570 --> 01:49:40,719 to all these a light ball phenomena that 2686 01:49:44,190 --> 01:49:42,580 aren't out of focus particulate matter 2687 01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:44,200 being illuminated by a flash in a 2688 01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:46,690 digital camera what I think a majority 2689 01:49:51,930 --> 01:49:49,690 of these so-called light balls and orbs 2690 01:49:53,790 --> 01:49:51,940 as they're popularly known I think a lot 2691 01:49:56,850 --> 01:49:53,800 of it is just as you mentioned that the 2692 01:49:58,620 --> 01:49:56,860 technology miss reading reality and 2693 01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:58,630 creating effects that aren't really 2694 01:50:03,540 --> 01:50:01,360 there yeah dust is snow fly have several 2695 01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:03,550 photos that are classic orbs but I know 2696 01:50:06,330 --> 01:50:05,410 for a fact that they're snowflakes that 2697 01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:06,340 sort of thing but again in the 2698 01:50:08,750 --> 01:50:07,840 interpretation of the doodle digital 2699 01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:08,760 camera so 2700 01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:10,320 I think as far as the UFO phenomenon is 2701 01:50:16,729 --> 01:50:13,199 concerned that has to be considered the 2702 01:50:18,140 --> 01:50:16,739 idea of certainly a lien life-forms and 2703 01:50:19,970 --> 01:50:18,150 and going back once more to this 2704 01:50:22,459 --> 01:50:19,980 Bridgeport case I think the best way I 2705 01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:22,469 can describe the entities in that house 2706 01:50:26,750 --> 01:50:24,960 were alien I don't mean that sounds 2707 01:50:28,759 --> 01:50:26,760 mother planet something that that term 2708 01:50:30,799 --> 01:50:28,769 might not even have any meaning in the 2709 01:50:34,250 --> 01:50:30,809 ultimate scheme of things there may be a 2710 01:50:37,129 --> 01:50:34,260 variety of UFO visitors if you will 2711 01:50:40,009 --> 01:50:37,139 taking place here you might have people 2712 01:50:40,939 --> 01:50:40,019 from other planets certain humanoids I 2713 01:50:42,529 --> 01:50:40,949 mean that's that's entirely possible 2714 01:50:44,330 --> 01:50:42,539 there's no reason why that couldn't were 2715 01:50:47,060 --> 01:50:44,340 other tenants in the building other 2716 01:50:49,459 --> 01:50:47,070 tenants in the bill all yeah it's oh you 2717 01:50:51,140 --> 01:50:49,469 read my article maybe because I used 2718 01:50:53,689 --> 01:50:51,150 that as an analogy the apartment 2719 01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:53,699 building with yeah I kind of borrowed it 2720 01:50:56,959 --> 01:50:55,199 from Terence Mckenna he used to use that 2721 01:50:58,520 --> 01:50:56,969 term a lot oh dear I thought it was 2722 01:51:00,200 --> 01:50:58,530 original and well I guess there's no 2723 01:51:02,839 --> 01:51:00,210 original thought left anymore but anyway 2724 01:51:04,370 --> 01:51:02,849 no I thought that perhaps some that that 2725 01:51:07,700 --> 01:51:04,380 certainly is a possibility no the real 2726 01:51:09,890 --> 01:51:07,710 actual alien visitors but of course even 2727 01:51:11,180 --> 01:51:09,900 if they they are from other planets how 2728 01:51:12,770 --> 01:51:11,190 do they get here and maybe they travel 2729 01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:12,780 huge distances in the conventional 2730 01:51:17,810 --> 01:51:14,250 manner it's weird we're used to thinking 2731 01:51:22,189 --> 01:51:17,820 about or do they use parallel realities 2732 01:51:24,259 --> 01:51:22,199 as shaman have told me simply to pass 2733 01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:24,269 from across one boundary to another 2734 01:51:27,770 --> 01:51:26,010 where they were already here where 2735 01:51:30,740 --> 01:51:27,780 they're already in orbit or what have 2736 01:51:32,540 --> 01:51:30,750 you but anything is possible and I think 2737 01:51:34,490 --> 01:51:32,550 every possibility and impossibility 2738 01:51:37,759 --> 01:51:34,500 needs it needs to be considered 2739 01:51:39,770 --> 01:51:37,769 so the UFO phenomenon I think has really 2740 01:51:42,410 --> 01:51:39,780 opened things up it has been opened up 2741 01:51:44,319 --> 01:51:42,420 the whole community if you will has been 2742 01:51:47,839 --> 01:51:44,329 opened up lately to ideas such as this 2743 01:51:50,209 --> 01:51:47,849 Ben and I have been if started to be 2744 01:51:52,129 --> 01:51:50,219 asked to speak at UFO conferences we 2745 01:51:53,779 --> 01:51:52,139 spoke it to this past year where our 2746 01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:53,789 idea is that the multiverse is behind 2747 01:51:57,830 --> 01:51:55,170 all this and that there are 2748 01:52:00,020 --> 01:51:57,840 relationships between ghostly phenomena 2749 01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:00,030 UFOs and this sort of thing and certain 2750 01:52:03,979 --> 01:52:02,130 cases we've been working on now pointing 2751 01:52:05,779 --> 01:52:03,989 to Rendlesham forest or Central 2752 01:52:08,089 --> 01:52:05,789 Connecticut where there's a big case 2753 01:52:11,180 --> 01:52:08,099 like that skinwalker ranch all that sort 2754 01:52:13,899 --> 01:52:11,190 of thing in Utah is not unusual at all 2755 01:52:16,700 --> 01:52:13,909 and does point to a deeper meaning 2756 01:52:17,810 --> 01:52:16,710 deeper process behind all paranormal 2757 01:52:19,759 --> 01:52:17,820 phenomenon and that's being well 2758 01:52:21,429 --> 01:52:19,769 received now in the UFO community and I 2759 01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:21,439 like to think we have Lee 2760 01:52:25,540 --> 01:52:23,119 something to do with that in some small 2761 01:52:28,569 --> 01:52:25,550 way so whether it's hopefully it's true 2762 01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:28,579 yeah well we kind of been you know 2763 01:52:32,919 --> 01:52:31,280 exploring these different out-of-the-box 2764 01:52:34,469 --> 01:52:32,929 scenarios you know because of the 2765 01:52:37,390 --> 01:52:34,479 popularity of the extra-terrestrial 2766 01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:37,400 hypothesis being you know just bludgeon 2767 01:52:41,279 --> 01:52:39,530 the bludgeoning the public over the head 2768 01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:41,289 book you know the media has just been 2769 01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:44,320 banging this drum for so many years that 2770 01:52:49,839 --> 01:52:47,570 it's really I think important for people 2771 01:52:52,209 --> 01:52:49,849 to look at these things from from 2772 01:52:54,100 --> 01:52:52,219 outside of the box and and come up with 2773 01:52:55,449 --> 01:52:54,110 alternative theories and I've been 2774 01:52:58,299 --> 01:52:55,459 saying for years that we should like 2775 01:53:00,819 --> 01:52:58,309 exhaust all closed system possibilities 2776 01:53:02,379 --> 01:53:00,829 before we you know get bold enough to 2777 01:53:03,609 --> 01:53:02,389 jump off plan and think we're important 2778 01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:03,619 enough for anything out there to come 2779 01:53:07,870 --> 01:53:05,689 here and I take a lot of flack for 2780 01:53:09,339 --> 01:53:07,880 saying that but but I think it's a it's 2781 01:53:11,459 --> 01:53:09,349 a point well taken it's something here 2782 01:53:14,589 --> 01:53:11,469 at the para cast that we are constantly 2783 01:53:17,129 --> 01:53:14,599 attempting to get guests and in you know 2784 01:53:19,509 --> 01:53:17,139 enlightened conversation that looks at 2785 01:53:21,489 --> 01:53:19,519 alternative theories to attempt to 2786 01:53:22,989 --> 01:53:21,499 explain some of these mysteries well we 2787 01:53:25,060 --> 01:53:22,999 love you Chris you know you have the 2788 01:53:26,649 --> 01:53:25,070 same similar approaches to what we a but 2789 01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:26,659 because you're you're a thinker and when 2790 01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:29,119 we really like that we need that and in 2791 01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:31,840 this this field and gene you're okay to 2792 01:53:38,169 --> 01:53:35,119 my wife says that - she says gene you're 2793 01:53:40,899 --> 01:53:38,179 okay to my son I'm not sure I'll tell 2794 01:53:43,239 --> 01:53:40,909 you what our dog who loves me the dog is 2795 01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:43,249 always here especially when it's time to 2796 01:53:47,620 --> 01:53:45,530 have breakfast then he just is 2797 01:53:49,719 --> 01:53:47,630 ever-present I can't walk around the 2798 01:53:51,279 --> 01:53:49,729 house without him right behind me one of 2799 01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:51,289 life's greatest mysteries our cat does 2800 01:53:55,330 --> 01:53:52,729 that too I always get a little nervous 2801 01:53:57,250 --> 01:53:55,340 when the guy says my dog likes me cuz I 2802 01:53:58,509 --> 01:53:57,260 mean implying nobody else does but I'm 2803 01:54:00,250 --> 01:53:58,519 sure that's not the case 2804 01:54:04,330 --> 01:54:00,260 that was supposed to be a joke I guess 2805 01:54:07,659 --> 01:54:04,340 it didn't work yeah yeah but gene we 2806 01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:07,669 love you too thank you I appreciate that 2807 01:54:14,859 --> 01:54:11,679 very much but you know back in the 1960s 2808 01:54:17,979 --> 01:54:14,869 Allan Greenfield and I had an all-night 2809 01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:17,989 talk fest back in a hotel off Times 2810 01:54:21,969 --> 01:54:20,570 Square on New Year's Eve now you've 2811 01:54:24,399 --> 01:54:21,979 heard of how in Greenfield have you not 2812 01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:24,409 Paul oh sure okay so Alan and I were 2813 01:54:29,140 --> 01:54:26,449 talking about the possibilities of UFOs 2814 01:54:31,359 --> 01:54:29,150 and he had this book in his hand a kind 2815 01:54:34,900 --> 01:54:31,369 of well-worn paperback the incomplete 2816 01:54:36,940 --> 01:54:34,910 enchanter a fascinating fantasy book 2817 01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:36,950 from L Sprague de Kamp and Fletcher 2818 01:54:43,390 --> 01:54:39,530 Pratt about going to a parallel universe 2819 01:54:46,660 --> 01:54:43,400 where the laws of magic took planets and 2820 01:54:52,210 --> 01:54:46,670 so we were talking about alternate 2821 01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:52,220 realities well this is the mention of 2822 01:54:55,780 --> 01:54:54,050 the word magic is fascinating and and 2823 01:54:58,720 --> 01:54:55,790 you're getting back to the days of like 2824 01:55:00,700 --> 01:54:58,730 Tim Beckley and and these guys and that 2825 01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:00,710 was a days of and pies are no longer 2826 01:55:06,730 --> 01:55:04,250 here and they sure are yo yeah well the 2827 01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:06,740 idea of magic has been interesting to it 2828 01:55:11,470 --> 01:55:08,810 and in conversations with shaman this 2829 01:55:14,740 --> 01:55:11,480 says this has come up as well our 2830 01:55:18,130 --> 01:55:14,750 magicians in the classical sense you 2831 01:55:20,830 --> 01:55:18,140 know using multi versal principles to 2832 01:55:23,170 --> 01:55:20,840 make things real and that's precisely 2833 01:55:26,190 --> 01:55:23,180 what what ben de lui told me that they 2834 01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:26,200 were doing and others have as well and 2835 01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:28,850 taking that back to people say well 2836 01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:30,770 let's get back to your theology well 2837 01:55:36,820 --> 01:55:34,490 sure is prayer especially in the 2838 01:55:39,490 --> 01:55:36,830 community sense is that really a form of 2839 01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:39,500 magic is magic prayer taken to the next 2840 01:55:44,830 --> 01:55:41,840 level all of it using multiverse 2841 01:55:48,580 --> 01:55:44,840 principles to make real what is needed 2842 01:55:51,490 --> 01:55:48,590 in our particular consciousness I think 2843 01:55:53,170 --> 01:55:51,500 there's probably a big yes yeah yeah 2844 01:55:54,580 --> 01:55:53,180 well gregg braden talks about Aidan 2845 01:55:57,790 --> 01:55:54,590 experiment that was done in the Middle 2846 01:56:03,010 --> 01:55:57,800 East with a group of people doing very 2847 01:56:06,970 --> 01:56:03,020 very I guess coherent meditation so with 2848 01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:06,980 with a singular idea of creating of some 2849 01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:08,930 sort of envelope a piece around the 2850 01:56:14,830 --> 01:56:11,810 Middle East and they had tremendous 2851 01:56:16,090 --> 01:56:14,840 success apparently you know they thought 2852 01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:16,100 the first time I did it was a 2853 01:56:20,020 --> 01:56:17,840 coincidence or were there were there was 2854 01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:20,030 no outbreaks of violence so we know no 2855 01:56:26,500 --> 01:56:23,170 gun battles I think this was during the 2856 01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:26,510 the early 80s when when the Israel went 2857 01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:28,610 up into Lebanon if I remember correctly 2858 01:56:32,860 --> 01:56:31,010 and and so they repeated the experiment 2859 01:56:37,180 --> 01:56:32,870 three times and in all three times they 2860 01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:37,190 were able to in their opinion impact the 2861 01:56:42,820 --> 01:56:39,770 amount of violence and reduce it on to 2862 01:56:44,350 --> 01:56:42,830 two absolutely no violence during the 2863 01:56:48,460 --> 01:56:44,360 time periods where there were they were 2864 01:56:51,490 --> 01:56:48,470 doing this very evolved Goethe 2865 01:56:53,890 --> 01:56:51,500 if you will and you know the idea being 2866 01:56:57,390 --> 01:56:53,900 that if enough people have the right 2867 01:56:59,860 --> 01:56:57,400 intention it can actually produce a 2868 01:57:01,600 --> 01:56:59,870 measurable effect well I think that's 2869 01:57:05,700 --> 01:57:01,610 true Chris and as a matter of fact I 2870 01:57:07,930 --> 01:57:05,710 remember in 19th was at 86 or 87 I was 2871 01:57:09,610 --> 01:57:07,940 working at the Providence Journal as an 2872 01:57:11,490 --> 01:57:09,620 editor and I was in the newsroom and 2873 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:11,500 everybody was laughing because the 2874 01:57:16,300 --> 01:57:14,090 Transcendental Meditation group was 2875 01:57:18,070 --> 01:57:16,310 meeting in Providence at the time at the 2876 01:57:20,620 --> 01:57:18,080 Civic Center having their big convention 2877 01:57:22,450 --> 01:57:20,630 and they were all meditating for peace 2878 01:57:24,580 --> 01:57:22,460 there's thousands and thousands of 2879 01:57:26,050 --> 01:57:24,590 people and maybe we hope we'll get some 2880 01:57:28,810 --> 01:57:26,060 peace but right now we'll have this 2881 01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:28,820 peaceful break we have Paulino joining 2882 01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:31,130 eugene and chris you're in the better 2883 01:57:43,660 --> 01:57:40,370 cast neighbors are you tired of dealing 2884 01:57:46,690 --> 01:57:43,670 with a slow web hosting provider well 2885 01:57:49,330 --> 01:57:46,700 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2955 02:01:45,490 --> 02:01:43,480 we'd like to hear from you if you have a 2956 02:01:49,450 --> 02:01:45,500 comment or question about the para cast 2957 02:01:52,900 --> 02:01:49,460 sent it to News at the para cast com 2958 02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:52,910 that's news at the para cast calm and 2959 02:01:58,420 --> 02:01:54,890 don't forget to visit our famous para 2960 02:02:00,720 --> 02:01:58,430 cast community forums at forum dr. Perik 2961 02:02:03,720 --> 02:02:00,730 a stop 2962 02:02:06,870 --> 02:02:03,730 as we see Chris is trying to engage in 2963 02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:06,880 Transcendental Meditation that was like 2964 02:02:12,390 --> 02:02:09,370 the 60 70s and 80s do you still hear 2965 02:02:13,860 --> 02:02:12,400 much about it Paul you know you do there 2966 02:02:16,290 --> 02:02:13,870 there are some things about I'm not 2967 02:02:17,490 --> 02:02:16,300 thrilled with but I think it's it's sort 2968 02:02:19,979 --> 02:02:17,500 of on the right track I was weary of 2969 02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:19,989 Indian guru is coming with the you know 2970 02:02:24,030 --> 02:02:21,040 bearing gifts 2971 02:02:27,300 --> 02:02:24,040 but nevertheless I really personalized 2972 02:02:28,740 --> 02:02:27,310 mantras exactly what's funny I've been 2973 02:02:31,530 --> 02:02:28,750 told that there's a group in California 2974 02:02:33,810 --> 02:02:31,540 or was that uses the the word Ino as a 2975 02:02:36,060 --> 02:02:33,820 mantra because it's got one in it and 2976 02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:36,070 Yan and all these different brother 2977 02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:38,170 that's just what we need but in any case 2978 02:02:42,990 --> 02:02:41,410 this in 1986 or so I was in at the 2979 02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:43,000 Providence Journal in the newsroom one 2980 02:02:46,850 --> 02:02:44,650 day and then people were laughing about 2981 02:02:49,050 --> 02:02:46,860 the Transcendental Meditation group 2982 02:02:52,380 --> 02:02:49,060 meditating on Mass at the Providence 2983 02:02:55,910 --> 02:02:52,390 Civic Center in in their thousands for 2984 02:02:58,229 --> 02:02:55,920 peace and I said you know - don't be too 2985 02:02:59,400 --> 02:02:58,239 skeptical about that you just you never 2986 02:03:01,740 --> 02:02:59,410 know and people kind of looked at me 2987 02:03:03,870 --> 02:03:01,750 they knew I was into this and sure 2988 02:03:05,580 --> 02:03:03,880 enough ensuing six months I believe 2989 02:03:07,140 --> 02:03:05,590 there were four brushfire wars that 2990 02:03:08,490 --> 02:03:07,150 ended in several major peace treaties 2991 02:03:10,229 --> 02:03:08,500 that were signed so maybe it's 2992 02:03:12,210 --> 02:03:10,239 coincidence maybe not 2993 02:03:14,100 --> 02:03:12,220 oh you asked you a fast question that 2994 02:03:17,190 --> 02:03:14,110 just hit me I'm listening to your name 2995 02:03:19,800 --> 02:03:17,200 are you at all related in any way to one 2996 02:03:23,060 --> 02:03:19,810 Brian Peter George II know better known 2997 02:03:25,950 --> 02:03:23,070 as Brian Eno don't forget the LaSalle 2998 02:03:29,570 --> 02:03:25,960 right he's got Brian Peter George st. 2999 02:03:31,770 --> 02:03:29,580 John the Baptist D LaSalle you know yes 3000 02:03:33,570 --> 02:03:31,780 well actually this is the third 3001 02:03:35,580 --> 02:03:33,580 broadcast in a row where I but ask that 3002 02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:35,590 question well you must be sick of it now 3003 02:03:41,070 --> 02:03:38,890 no no not really it's it's been in there 3004 02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:41,080 both amused by it actually we are 3005 02:03:44,460 --> 02:03:42,400 supposed to be cousins 3006 02:03:46,590 --> 02:03:44,470 I don't know him I've never met about it 3007 02:03:48,690 --> 02:03:46,600 but I have cousins who do know him the 3008 02:03:51,240 --> 02:03:48,700 the would name is so weird he tends to 3009 02:03:53,550 --> 02:03:51,250 he's been known to take the phonebook in 3010 02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:53,560 the city he's he's performing in and and 3011 02:03:59,220 --> 02:03:56,530 call anybody got a name of Eno in the 3012 02:04:01,620 --> 02:03:59,230 book and he called my cousin Jennifer in 3013 02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:01,630 New York City and they so they know each 3014 02:04:05,550 --> 02:04:03,850 other I have another cousin Jennifer in 3015 02:04:07,890 --> 02:04:05,560 California who knows him because he 3016 02:04:09,870 --> 02:04:07,900 lives there and so I supposedly where 3017 02:04:11,970 --> 02:04:09,880 we're related but that's Andy we're 3018 02:04:13,590 --> 02:04:11,980 waiting for a a caller and email because 3019 02:04:14,490 --> 02:04:13,600 supposedly he and his brother Roger are 3020 02:04:16,920 --> 02:04:14,500 both interested in the pair 3021 02:04:19,500 --> 02:04:16,930 so you know I'm waiting for him to make 3022 02:04:21,180 --> 02:04:19,510 the first boat well I must say I'm one 3023 02:04:24,390 --> 02:04:21,190 of his biggest fans and have been since 3024 02:04:26,220 --> 02:04:24,400 he made his real public debut in Roxy 3025 02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:26,230 Music back in the early 70s I've been 3026 02:04:32,910 --> 02:04:29,770 following his career ever since I was a 3027 02:04:35,490 --> 02:04:32,920 kid I've got all his albums well not all 3028 02:04:38,310 --> 02:04:35,500 of his ambient albums but a majority of 3029 02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:38,320 his work I have and he's been a real 3030 02:04:43,500 --> 02:04:40,960 inspiration for me as a keyboard player 3031 02:04:46,230 --> 02:04:43,510 over the years and it's it's a cool name 3032 02:04:48,060 --> 02:04:46,240 I just love three-letter names there's 3033 02:04:50,130 --> 02:04:48,070 not many of them out there people think 3034 02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:50,140 it's fake but we have to assure people 3035 02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:51,850 that it's really really our name because 3036 02:04:56,700 --> 02:04:53,650 Ben having gone to Emerson College and 3037 02:04:58,290 --> 02:04:56,710 wanna musical types up there oh you 3038 02:05:00,750 --> 02:04:58,300 really do Brian you know all this sort 3039 02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:00,760 of so I'd like to get to know him 3040 02:05:04,650 --> 02:05:02,770 someday Brian he know if you're 3041 02:05:06,270 --> 02:05:04,660 listening to the power cast and we know 3042 02:05:09,300 --> 02:05:06,280 you're interested in the paranormal or 3043 02:05:12,300 --> 02:05:09,310 allegedly you are get in touch with your 3044 02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:12,310 cuz their husband Paul you've heard of 3045 02:05:17,010 --> 02:05:14,170 cousin Brucie of course this is cousin 3046 02:05:19,730 --> 02:05:17,020 Paul yeah well I love his oblique 3047 02:05:22,260 --> 02:05:19,740 strategy cards that he he devised with 3048 02:05:26,790 --> 02:05:22,270 with an artist they came up with their 3049 02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:26,800 own sort of to Road act basically and to 3050 02:05:31,980 --> 02:05:29,410 be used by artists in situations where 3051 02:05:35,190 --> 02:05:31,990 they may get stuck in a process or need 3052 02:05:38,130 --> 02:05:35,200 some some sage advice and they would use 3053 02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:38,140 these cards that would have these have 3054 02:05:42,180 --> 02:05:40,450 cavity suggestions of how to deal with a 3055 02:05:44,730 --> 02:05:42,190 particular situation of course the 3056 02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:44,740 spontaneity and the synchronistic nature 3057 02:05:48,960 --> 02:05:46,930 of pulling a particular card to deal 3058 02:05:50,340 --> 02:05:48,970 with a particular problem a number of 3059 02:05:52,740 --> 02:05:50,350 musicians that have worked with him over 3060 02:05:54,660 --> 02:05:52,750 the years it were amazed and have been 3061 02:05:56,730 --> 02:05:54,670 amazed at at how effective that 3062 02:05:59,610 --> 02:05:56,740 particular approach is and and that to 3063 02:06:01,830 --> 02:05:59,620 me kind of has a sense of a little bit 3064 02:06:04,050 --> 02:06:01,840 of a paranormal kind of quality to it 3065 02:06:06,450 --> 02:06:04,060 which I've always been look on the 3066 02:06:08,100 --> 02:06:06,460 lookout for a deck of oblique strategy 3067 02:06:09,900 --> 02:06:08,110 cards I'd love to get a deck someday 3068 02:06:11,970 --> 02:06:09,910 well that is interesting and 3069 02:06:14,370 --> 02:06:11,980 particularly well speaking of Brian 3070 02:06:16,500 --> 02:06:14,380 there is sort of a real irony there and 3071 02:06:18,410 --> 02:06:16,510 it comes to the paranormal he was as I 3072 02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:18,420 understand that he was born within 3073 02:06:21,989 --> 02:06:20,410 frankly within stone's throw of 3074 02:06:24,569 --> 02:06:21,999 Rendlesham forest 3075 02:06:28,140 --> 02:06:24,579 in Suffolk England right yeah he threw 3076 02:06:30,810 --> 02:06:28,150 up visiting the air force base the clubs 3077 02:06:34,890 --> 02:06:30,820 and stuff oh there you go and we spoke 3078 02:06:37,109 --> 02:06:34,900 there in Woodbridge in 2012 and people 3079 02:06:38,489 --> 02:06:37,119 said people knew obviously who he was 3080 02:06:40,109 --> 02:06:38,499 and said all the way a wonderful show up 3081 02:06:42,330 --> 02:06:40,119 because he wasn't didn't happen to be in 3082 02:06:44,069 --> 02:06:42,340 town at the time but a lot of people 3083 02:06:45,839 --> 02:06:44,079 were commenting that you know what's 3084 02:06:47,759 --> 02:06:45,849 ironic we had the name and he was from 3085 02:06:50,549 --> 02:06:47,769 there that sort of thing so a little 3086 02:06:54,540 --> 02:06:50,559 secret isset e there I guess maybe hmm 3087 02:06:56,520 --> 02:06:54,550 you never know Brian you know in any 3088 02:07:00,779 --> 02:06:56,530 case I wanted to go back to the UFO 3089 02:07:03,540 --> 02:07:00,789 thing because there's still that belief 3090 02:07:05,850 --> 02:07:03,550 or expectation or hope that the US 3091 02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:05,860 government knows what's going on well 3092 02:07:13,049 --> 02:07:11,530 that's another well I think the US 3093 02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:13,059 government knows anything which may be 3094 02:07:16,609 --> 02:07:14,650 the big they know a lot more than we do 3095 02:07:19,859 --> 02:07:16,619 that's why they're a lot more confused 3096 02:07:23,430 --> 02:07:19,869 yeah that could be and I'll tell you 3097 02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:23,440 fellows I have a suspicion that what I I 3098 02:07:26,310 --> 02:07:24,610 don't know I don't know if anybody else 3099 02:07:28,469 --> 02:07:26,320 is saying this but we're starting to put 3100 02:07:31,410 --> 02:07:28,479 the idea out there that whether it's the 3101 02:07:34,169 --> 02:07:31,420 government or someone else you do see 3102 02:07:37,169 --> 02:07:34,179 military activity of some kind in these 3103 02:07:40,709 --> 02:07:37,179 flap areas we certainly Rendlesham I 3104 02:07:42,540 --> 02:07:40,719 don't know about the skinwalker ranch 3105 02:07:45,089 --> 02:07:42,550 nobody let us near that case for some 3106 02:07:46,890 --> 02:07:45,099 reason and the Torrington area in 3107 02:07:48,930 --> 02:07:46,900 Connecticut Goshen that that person in 3108 02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:48,940 Litchfield County Connecticut military 3109 02:07:54,180 --> 02:07:51,280 activity on the hoofs of on the heels of 3110 02:07:56,700 --> 02:07:54,190 course heals a lot of the ghost 3111 02:07:59,160 --> 02:07:56,710 phenomena poltergeist activity UFO 3112 02:08:01,140 --> 02:07:59,170 activity you name it even Bigfoot 3113 02:08:03,450 --> 02:08:01,150 sightings all of a sudden Iran's 3114 02:08:05,790 --> 02:08:03,460 military activity or it could be 3115 02:08:07,799 --> 02:08:05,800 contractors and it could be some other 3116 02:08:09,709 --> 02:08:07,809 kind of cabal might not necessarily be 3117 02:08:12,959 --> 02:08:09,719 the government but in any case I think 3118 02:08:16,589 --> 02:08:12,969 you know we live in a society that has 3119 02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:16,599 been long ago conditioned to accept you 3120 02:08:21,600 --> 02:08:19,210 know the Klingons and the denizens of 3121 02:08:23,719 --> 02:08:21,610 the planet of the apes I mean what kind 3122 02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:23,729 of problem are we gonna have with 3123 02:08:28,439 --> 02:08:25,840 announcement that extraterrestrial life 3124 02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:28,449 exists I don't think that's the issue at 3125 02:08:33,779 --> 02:08:30,639 all I think that's part of the cover I 3126 02:08:35,009 --> 02:08:33,789 think what's really going on is you know 3127 02:08:35,700 --> 02:08:35,019 you don't have to be afraid of something 3128 02:08:38,940 --> 02:08:35,710 that's not another 3129 02:08:41,070 --> 02:08:38,950 planet it's far away but were to become 3130 02:08:43,560 --> 02:08:41,080 known and this is just my suspicions 3131 02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:43,570 were to become known if it's true that 3132 02:08:48,900 --> 02:08:45,970 these parallel worlds are all around us 3133 02:08:55,110 --> 02:08:48,910 with a lot of very serious and dangerous 3134 02:08:56,280 --> 02:08:55,120 enemies and hostile neighbors that would 3135 02:08:58,500 --> 02:08:56,290 change everything 3136 02:09:01,110 --> 02:08:58,510 that I think is what would threaten our 3137 02:09:03,660 --> 02:09:01,120 institutions such as they are anymore 3138 02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:03,670 and what would threaten people's 3139 02:09:08,430 --> 02:09:05,530 conceptions of 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02:15:20,350 --> 02:15:16,740 you know I guess when it comes to UFOs 3278 02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:20,360 you are obviously politically incorrect 3279 02:15:25,250 --> 02:15:23,370 yes apparently at least somebody at area 3280 02:15:27,740 --> 02:15:25,260 51 thought so well what tell me about 3281 02:15:30,020 --> 02:15:27,750 the area 51 came then well it was a no 3282 02:15:32,060 --> 02:15:30,030 six and I was down giving a talk or 3283 02:15:34,690 --> 02:15:32,070 supposed to give a talk at the MGM Grand 3284 02:15:36,830 --> 02:15:34,700 to about three hundred people right 3285 02:15:39,770 --> 02:15:36,840 unfortunately there was a blizzard here 3286 02:15:43,580 --> 02:15:39,780 in New England and I could not leave on 3287 02:15:44,540 --> 02:15:43,590 time I got there a day late and like 3288 02:15:46,220 --> 02:15:44,550 there were thirty people they 3289 02:15:48,410 --> 02:15:46,230 rescheduled like 30 people showed up was 3290 02:15:51,110 --> 02:15:48,420 awful a day laying with dollar short 3291 02:15:53,870 --> 02:15:51,120 yeah absolutely quite a few dollars 3292 02:15:56,240 --> 02:15:53,880 short everything went wrong and in this 3293 02:15:58,430 --> 02:15:56,250 scenario and I got poisoned by the 3294 02:15:59,960 --> 02:15:58,440 shrimp or something and I was sick in 3295 02:16:01,970 --> 02:15:59,970 the Roman you know and even a nice hotel 3296 02:16:03,860 --> 02:16:01,980 them just gets pretty bad after a few 3297 02:16:06,290 --> 02:16:03,870 days so I said I'm gonna get out of here 3298 02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:06,300 in my last day I had a rental car guys 3299 02:16:10,340 --> 02:16:08,010 I'm gonna go up to Rachel Nevada weather 3300 02:16:11,630 --> 02:16:10,350 there's this the little alien is and 3301 02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:11,640 they have all these it's a little 3302 02:16:16,340 --> 02:16:13,650 restaurant near area 51 they've all 3303 02:16:18,890 --> 02:16:16,350 these cheesy UFO souvenirs and alien 3304 02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:18,900 stuff my sons would beer to kick out of 3305 02:16:23,180 --> 02:16:20,370 it so off I go 3306 02:16:25,460 --> 02:16:23,190 and this is 150 miles from Vegas or 3307 02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:25,470 something like that but the you know 3308 02:16:28,430 --> 02:16:26,970 Rhode Islanders never go more than five 3309 02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:28,440 miles without staying overnight so this 3310 02:16:32,930 --> 02:16:30,330 is a big trip for me you get off the 3311 02:16:34,040 --> 02:16:32,940 highway no cell service and I tell you 3312 02:16:36,049 --> 02:16:34,050 if make sure you have water and all this 3313 02:16:37,610 --> 02:16:36,059 so I get out to one of the outlying 3314 02:16:39,919 --> 02:16:37,620 towns and then went through there and 3315 02:16:41,360 --> 02:16:39,929 then then the the road forked where 3316 02:16:42,709 --> 02:16:41,370 there was a little grove of trees in the 3317 02:16:44,570 --> 02:16:42,719 road to fork to the left that's the one 3318 02:16:46,370 --> 02:16:44,580 that went to Rachel and in the middle of 3319 02:16:47,509 --> 02:16:46,380 this were a couple of cars parked I 3320 02:16:49,700 --> 02:16:47,519 didn't pay any attention to that and 3321 02:16:51,890 --> 02:16:49,710 there was a sign extraterrestrial 3322 02:16:53,419 --> 02:16:51,900 highway and of course the state puts it 3323 02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:53,429 there for tourism purposes there's 3324 02:16:57,230 --> 02:16:55,290 always kind of a wheeze I'll get a 3325 02:16:58,940 --> 02:16:57,240 picture of this I said I might try buzz 3326 02:17:00,820 --> 02:16:58,950 by myself instead of a tripod I took a 3327 02:17:03,410 --> 02:17:00,830 picture of myself next to this thing 3328 02:17:05,660 --> 02:17:03,420 $1600 digital camera tech she didn't 3329 02:17:07,759 --> 02:17:05,670 come out so what the hey is this you 3330 02:17:10,400 --> 02:17:07,769 know so then I notice and off to the 3331 02:17:13,100 --> 02:17:10,410 right and the other road is a white SUV 3332 02:17:15,709 --> 02:17:13,110 with government plates and these two 3333 02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:15,719 guys are kind of staring at me so I'm an 3334 02:17:18,859 --> 02:17:16,559 old reporter 3335 02:17:20,209 --> 02:17:18,869 I put up the camera to take a picture of 3336 02:17:21,530 --> 02:17:20,219 them the guy stick his finger up and 3337 02:17:23,959 --> 02:17:21,540 kind of waved it back and forth with a 3338 02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:23,969 look that would curdle milk and said 3339 02:17:27,439 --> 02:17:25,290 don't do it 3340 02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:27,449 so I got in kind of went on my merry way 3341 02:17:32,179 --> 02:17:30,090 they came around and started following 3342 02:17:33,769 --> 02:17:32,189 me now the speed limit on this road at 3343 02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:33,779 the time was 70 miles an hour they were 3344 02:17:37,059 --> 02:17:35,760 like five inches behind my bumper you 3345 02:17:39,679 --> 02:17:37,069 know I'm a veteran I've been in such 3346 02:17:41,660 --> 02:17:39,689 couple of tight situations and there are 3347 02:17:43,129 --> 02:17:41,670 and I know what it's like to be scared I 3348 02:17:45,080 --> 02:17:43,139 was scared by the time I got to Rachel 3349 02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:45,090 and that'll tell you I'm not easy to 3350 02:17:48,530 --> 02:17:47,369 scare so it was Wednesday morning and 3351 02:17:51,439 --> 02:17:48,540 were at the little I'm at the little 3352 02:17:53,240 --> 02:17:51,449 alien nobody else is there and I went in 3353 02:17:54,799 --> 02:17:53,250 and the woman said the waitress said 3354 02:17:57,979 --> 02:17:54,809 what what happened to you 3355 02:18:01,609 --> 02:17:57,989 and I told her and she said oh you were 3356 02:18:05,509 --> 02:18:01,619 taking pictures of the park-and-ride for 3357 02:18:08,330 --> 02:18:05,519 area 51 I said what and she said yeah 3358 02:18:11,089 --> 02:18:08,340 people from the town park under those 3359 02:18:13,549 --> 02:18:11,099 trees and the boss comes out and picks 3360 02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:13,559 him up and takes him into the base about 3361 02:18:17,059 --> 02:18:15,599 13 miles and I said let's see don't hug 3362 02:18:18,740 --> 02:18:17,069 thousands of people must take pictures 3363 02:18:19,370 --> 02:18:18,750 of that sign said oh no but you she knew 3364 02:18:22,669 --> 02:18:19,380 who I was 3365 02:18:29,809 --> 02:18:22,679 you come on wait a minute she knew who 3366 02:18:30,889 --> 02:18:29,819 you were yeah okay how was the owner but 3367 02:18:32,599 --> 02:18:30,899 no she read we should read one of my 3368 02:18:33,799 --> 02:18:32,609 books at one time here's these people 3369 02:18:35,269 --> 02:18:33,809 have rented a pair and all around there 3370 02:18:38,059 --> 02:18:35,279 because it's part of their living right 3371 02:18:40,519 --> 02:18:38,069 so she said them oh well what was 3372 02:18:43,429 --> 02:18:40,529 happening here was that you're on a 3373 02:18:45,019 --> 02:18:43,439 database of people who write about this 3374 02:18:47,269 --> 02:18:45,029 stuff and research the paranormal and 3375 02:18:50,419 --> 02:18:47,279 they thought you were taking pictures of 3376 02:18:52,339 --> 02:18:50,429 the license plates from the cars and 3377 02:18:54,769 --> 02:18:52,349 we're going to bother the people who 3378 02:18:57,769 --> 02:18:54,779 worked at the base they kind of didn't 3379 02:18:59,179 --> 02:18:57,779 want to take the chance so that's what 3380 02:19:00,589 --> 02:18:59,189 this was just said had you been off the 3381 02:19:02,629 --> 02:19:00,599 road closer to the base they would have 3382 02:19:04,580 --> 02:19:02,639 hauled you out of the vehicle gun to 3383 02:19:07,759 --> 02:19:04,590 your head and would have impounded the 3384 02:19:08,750 --> 02:19:07,769 car finds finds finds and you know so 3385 02:19:10,519 --> 02:19:08,760 there's a good thing you didn't turn off 3386 02:19:13,339 --> 02:19:10,529 the road and they eventually did after 3387 02:19:14,509 --> 02:19:13,349 about five miles so and I said oh can 3388 02:19:16,189 --> 02:19:14,519 you believe that said she said there 3389 02:19:18,200 --> 02:19:16,199 there was a geosynchronous satellite 3390 02:19:20,059 --> 02:19:18,210 that watches whoever's driving along 3391 02:19:23,419 --> 02:19:20,069 this road because here I am and this red 3392 02:19:26,809 --> 02:19:23,429 Plymouth right so I'm Ray's ISA flemeth 3393 02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:26,819 wait oh yeah yeah yeah so that's that's 3394 02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:28,399 what that was about according to the 3395 02:19:32,620 --> 02:19:30,800 woman so this is the answer the picture 3396 02:19:35,049 --> 02:19:32,630 didn't come out because they have stuff 3397 02:19:36,699 --> 02:19:35,059 in the ground that prevents stuff from 3398 02:19:40,379 --> 02:19:36,709 you know if you point the camera in a 3399 02:19:42,790 --> 02:19:40,389 certain direction I said oh my gosh so 3400 02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:42,800 that was the story of that but it's I 3401 02:19:45,819 --> 02:19:44,479 couldn't was after that trip with 3402 02:19:46,899 --> 02:19:45,829 everything gonna happen I'd kiss the 3403 02:19:49,979 --> 02:19:46,909 ground when I got back to Rhode Island 3404 02:19:53,949 --> 02:19:49,989 practically but very strange experience 3405 02:19:55,870 --> 02:19:53,959 yeah it's pretty interesting out there I 3406 02:19:57,580 --> 02:19:55,880 advise I spoke at one of the little 3407 02:20:02,050 --> 02:19:57,590 conferences that they have out there be 3408 02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:02,060 here it did Rachel oh yeah and some of 3409 02:20:07,359 --> 02:20:04,640 the stories I heard from the locals it's 3410 02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:07,369 it's pretty amazing that at that place 3411 02:20:12,159 --> 02:20:09,770 it has just recently has been 3412 02:20:14,380 --> 02:20:12,169 acknowledged as being a real facility 3413 02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:14,390 you know acknowledged by uh by the 3414 02:20:17,979 --> 02:20:16,970 government and so it's just amazing some 3415 02:20:21,989 --> 02:20:17,989 of the stories that have come out of 3416 02:20:24,399 --> 02:20:21,999 their invisibility suits you know 3417 02:20:27,370 --> 02:20:24,409 handprints being left on park vehicles 3418 02:20:31,050 --> 02:20:27,380 and in footprints appearing around cars 3419 02:20:33,699 --> 02:20:31,060 and nobody being seen that sort of thing 3420 02:20:35,170 --> 02:20:33,709 well it's kind of like a medium talking 3421 02:20:36,519 --> 02:20:35,180 to whatever it's talking to you you 3422 02:20:39,729 --> 02:20:36,529 never quite know whether believe these 3423 02:20:41,409 --> 02:20:39,739 things now of course that's good for 3424 02:20:43,330 --> 02:20:41,419 tourism but it's also you know you just 3425 02:20:44,739 --> 02:20:43,340 don't know well what's a cover story for 3426 02:20:47,109 --> 02:20:44,749 what's really going on there what's that 3427 02:20:48,309 --> 02:20:47,119 and I think a lot of the stuff well I 3428 02:20:50,050 --> 02:20:48,319 guess until this happened to me I 3429 02:20:52,029 --> 02:20:50,060 thought maybe a lot of the UFO stories 3430 02:20:53,710 --> 02:20:52,039 or cover stories but again I'm wondering 3431 02:20:56,260 --> 02:20:53,720 if it's not that the the issue might not 3432 02:20:58,239 --> 02:20:56,270 be this multiverse question rather than 3433 02:20:59,920 --> 02:20:58,249 you know fugitives mother planet or 3434 02:21:01,420 --> 02:20:59,930 maybe it's both or maybe it's neither I 3435 02:21:03,519 --> 02:21:01,430 don't know because we all know that 3436 02:21:05,649 --> 02:21:03,529 stealth aircraft and this sort of thing 3437 02:21:07,149 --> 02:21:05,659 we're developed there and and you know 3438 02:21:10,239 --> 02:21:07,159 when I was in the military you kind of 3439 02:21:11,399 --> 02:21:10,249 learned that things are really about 10 3440 02:21:13,389 --> 02:21:11,409 years ahead 3441 02:21:16,809 --> 02:21:13,399 technologically of what the public knows 3442 02:21:18,909 --> 02:21:16,819 about so again keep them guessing that's 3443 02:21:21,340 --> 02:21:18,919 the secret to keeping secrets is keep 3444 02:21:23,679 --> 02:21:21,350 them guessing you know in accurate 3445 02:21:26,109 --> 02:21:23,689 information from it's also the secret to 3446 02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:26,119 a good sleight of hand magician well 3447 02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:28,970 that's true yeah Bill Hall being a 3448 02:21:31,960 --> 02:21:30,800 magician this matter of fact the author 3449 02:21:34,239 --> 02:21:31,970 of the book we're talking about before 3450 02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:34,249 but but again you know in the end they 3451 02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:35,840 in the end you really don't know what's 3452 02:21:38,739 --> 02:21:37,760 happening all you can do is speculate 3453 02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:38,749 hmm 3454 02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:40,880 I see uh gene has a note here for me 3455 02:21:45,800 --> 02:21:42,330 that we have some questions for you 3456 02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:45,810 on our on our question thread at the at 3457 02:21:51,559 --> 02:21:50,010 the pear cast forums mm-hmm so what I'll 3458 02:21:54,830 --> 02:21:51,569 do is I'll go ahead and open that up 3459 02:21:56,300 --> 02:21:54,840 while we while you guys continue I'll go 3460 02:21:58,849 --> 02:21:56,310 ahead and get those questions dialed up 3461 02:22:00,260 --> 02:21:58,859 Jean well while he's piling up the 3462 02:22:01,730 --> 02:22:00,270 questions we don't have a lot of time we 3463 02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:01,740 have basically a little bit more than 3464 02:22:05,690 --> 02:22:03,359 one segment of the show so this is gonna 3465 02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:05,700 be the fastest questions and answers you 3466 02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:07,530 ever had you know it's not like the 3467 02:22:11,360 --> 02:22:09,210 president has asked a question and he 3468 02:22:13,550 --> 02:22:11,370 spends 25 minutes answering it Paul 3469 02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:13,560 you'll have about two minutes and then 3470 02:22:20,780 --> 02:22:17,010 we'll cut you off or send a high-voltage 3471 02:22:23,389 --> 02:22:20,790 shock to your chair by remote viewing or 3472 02:22:25,820 --> 02:22:23,399 from an alternate reality because 3473 02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:25,830 actually you're not several thousand 3474 02:22:32,230 --> 02:22:28,800 miles away in New England while we're in 3475 02:22:37,580 --> 02:22:32,240 Arizona you are right here next to us in 3476 02:22:39,080 --> 02:22:37,590 the 17th dimension yes I never thought I 3477 02:22:42,110 --> 02:22:39,090 could try the electric chair that's 3478 02:22:45,469 --> 02:22:42,120 called vamping Chris you got a question 3479 02:22:47,660 --> 02:22:45,479 yeah this comes from one of our very 3480 02:22:52,040 --> 02:22:47,670 very diligent posters Wade Ridsdale 3481 02:22:53,300 --> 02:22:52,050 calls himself a Ferrell normal master he 3482 02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:53,310 says at the risk of sounding like a 3483 02:22:56,599 --> 02:22:54,090 broken record 3484 02:22:58,099 --> 02:22:56,609 I once semi heard you Paul relate an 3485 02:23:00,620 --> 02:22:58,109 experience with one of those entities 3486 02:23:03,410 --> 02:23:00,630 that you describe as a parasite wearing 3487 02:23:05,240 --> 02:23:03,420 a checkered plaid shirt yeah he's 3488 02:23:07,400 --> 02:23:05,250 wondering if he missed the context that 3489 02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:07,410 it took place in and he was wondering if 3490 02:23:14,030 --> 02:23:09,210 you could refresh our memory and plus he 3491 02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:14,040 says Merry Christmas okay well yes the 3492 02:23:19,420 --> 02:23:17,010 the man in the checkered shirt is one of 3493 02:23:22,550 --> 02:23:19,430 a number of what recently almost 3494 02:23:23,960 --> 02:23:22,560 archetypal manifestations of what in my 3495 02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:23,970 in my experience anyone has been 3496 02:23:31,450 --> 02:23:26,970 parasites I encountered probably the 3497 02:23:34,639 --> 02:23:31,460 most dynamic one in Montreal in the 70s 3498 02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:34,649 also in the 90s in Rhode Island and 3499 02:23:39,190 --> 02:23:36,810 another time in Connecticut and another 3500 02:23:42,650 --> 02:23:39,200 time in New York State and it actually 3501 02:23:44,690 --> 02:23:42,660 is a man sort of walking around a corner 3502 02:23:48,540 --> 02:23:44,700 generally usually away from you 3503 02:23:50,730 --> 02:23:48,550 in this plaid or checkered shirt 3504 02:23:52,230 --> 02:23:50,740 and in all four experiences that I've 3505 02:23:54,740 --> 02:23:52,240 had with this and it is known in the 3506 02:23:57,570 --> 02:23:54,750 literature as an archetypal figure I 3507 02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:57,580 interpreted as parasitical so then they 3508 02:24:02,610 --> 02:24:00,399 were parasite cases that could have 3509 02:24:04,650 --> 02:24:02,620 turned into poltergeist cases had the 3510 02:24:06,599 --> 02:24:04,660 thing gotten enough to eat so that 3511 02:24:10,050 --> 02:24:06,609 that's my opinion on that was an 3512 02:24:12,780 --> 02:24:10,060 interesting outbreak in Lawton I think 3513 02:24:14,910 --> 02:24:12,790 Oklahoma just talked about that in our 3514 02:24:15,780 --> 02:24:14,920 next segment that outbreak okay because 3515 02:24:18,599 --> 02:24:15,790 we're gonna have an outbreak of 3516 02:24:21,070 --> 02:24:18,609 something else now that's gene and Chris 3517 02:24:27,400 --> 02:24:21,080 you're in will be recast 3518 02:24:30,639 --> 02:24:27,410 [Music] 3519 02:24:32,770 --> 02:24:30,649 great minds think alike the net worth 3520 02:24:37,350 --> 02:24:32,780 for the independent-minded 3521 02:24:39,820 --> 02:24:37,360 the genesis communications network G C n 3522 02:24:41,560 --> 02:24:39,830 attack of the rocket has been 3523 02:24:43,540 --> 02:24:41,570 well-received by critics and readers 3524 02:24:46,330 --> 02:24:43,550 alike it's a thrill a minute story 3525 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percent off 3622 02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:25,340 the retail price 3623 02:28:29,830 --> 02:28:27,410 call the Berkey guy at one eight seven 3624 02:28:31,960 --> 02:28:29,840 seven eight eight six three six five 3625 02:28:34,719 --> 02:28:31,970 three that's one eight seven seven eight 3626 02:28:36,580 --> 02:28:34,729 eight six three six five three or order 3627 02:28:38,171 --> 02:28:36,590 online at Gober Keep Calm 3628 02:28:47,621 --> 02:28:38,181 that's Gober key 3629 02:28:49,841 --> 02:28:47,631 today this is the wrong tire co-author 3630 02:28:55,301 --> 02:28:49,851 of the on cycle feet in other books 3631 02:28:59,890 --> 02:28:57,551 this is the outbreak of our final 3632 02:29:03,161 --> 02:28:59,900 segment with Paul Eno and I can't 3633 02:29:05,291 --> 02:29:03,171 believe it's almost over all right Chris 3634 02:29:07,570 --> 02:29:05,301 you were about to ask another question 3635 02:29:08,860 --> 02:29:07,580 from our listeners and I was but first I 3636 02:29:11,350 --> 02:29:08,870 was gonna mention a very interesting 3637 02:29:14,261 --> 02:29:11,360 checkered shirt connection here there 3638 02:29:16,900 --> 02:29:14,271 was a a two night period where a wild 3639 02:29:18,791 --> 02:29:16,910 man was like a wolf man the description 3640 02:29:22,451 --> 02:29:18,801 was this wild hairy guy that could jump 3641 02:29:24,220 --> 02:29:22,461 two floors was missing around town in in 3642 02:29:27,461 --> 02:29:24,230 a pair of pants that were several sizes 3643 02:29:29,890 --> 02:29:27,471 too small and a checkered shirt a red 3644 02:29:31,480 --> 02:29:29,900 checkered shirt and then soon after an 3645 02:29:36,671 --> 02:29:31,490 outbreak of cattle mutilations occurred 3646 02:29:39,011 --> 02:29:36,681 right around that same area yeah a 3647 02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:39,021 question for you Chris and maybe Linda 3648 02:29:46,631 --> 02:29:43,610 Godfrey of the voiceless who's a new 3649 02:29:48,881 --> 02:29:46,641 poster at forum dr. Perik asked calm and 3650 02:29:51,341 --> 02:29:48,891 he says hey these these parasites that 3651 02:29:54,011 --> 02:29:51,351 you speak of I'd like to know about one 3652 02:29:55,421 --> 02:29:54,021 time he's describing what happened to 3653 02:29:57,341 --> 02:29:55,431 him he was struck by something like a 3654 02:29:59,770 --> 02:29:57,351 punch but there was no physical element 3655 02:30:01,331 --> 02:29:59,780 to it it was more like my soul got hit 3656 02:30:03,251 --> 02:30:01,341 and the next thing I knew I was on the 3657 02:30:06,100 --> 02:30:03,261 ground dazed and confused my vision was 3658 02:30:08,171 --> 02:30:06,110 tunnel-like I was a guest a friend and 3659 02:30:10,470 --> 02:30:08,181 his mother saw him collapse his energy 3660 02:30:13,511 --> 02:30:10,480 was drained completely he was shaking 3661 02:30:16,060 --> 02:30:13,521 vibrating me and he says he regained 3662 02:30:17,711 --> 02:30:16,070 everything after a couple of minutes he 3663 02:30:19,541 --> 02:30:17,721 wants to know what are these things that 3664 02:30:21,161 --> 02:30:19,551 feed on our energies the shadow people 3665 02:30:22,841 --> 02:30:21,171 do you know if these things shape-shift 3666 02:30:24,881 --> 02:30:22,851 with our thoughts to what they might be 3667 02:30:26,350 --> 02:30:24,891 I mean our minds project what we don't 3668 02:30:28,841 --> 02:30:26,360 understand and these things use our 3669 02:30:31,390 --> 02:30:28,851 minds and memes to disguise themselves 3670 02:30:33,400 --> 02:30:31,400 he's just wondering what could possibly 3671 02:30:35,831 --> 02:30:33,410 explain that that wasn't some sort of 3672 02:30:37,781 --> 02:30:35,841 physiological problem that he had yeah 3673 02:30:39,190 --> 02:30:37,791 that's the thing you have to look at all 3674 02:30:41,470 --> 02:30:39,200 possibilities before you look at a 3675 02:30:43,690 --> 02:30:41,480 paranormal one I've had things like that 3676 02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:43,700 happened once or twice to me you have to 3677 02:30:47,741 --> 02:30:45,530 ask the right questions in order to get 3678 02:30:50,350 --> 02:30:47,751 the right answers again I think you have 3679 02:30:52,301 --> 02:30:50,360 to look at the multiversal idea that 3680 02:30:54,430 --> 02:30:52,311 these things can come through with any 3681 02:30:57,310 --> 02:30:54,440 one time given the right circumstances 3682 02:30:58,751 --> 02:30:57,320 but not necessarily stay around it might 3683 02:31:00,970 --> 02:30:58,761 be sort of a pass-through sort of thing 3684 02:31:02,801 --> 02:31:00,980 and my question to the writer would be 3685 02:31:04,180 --> 02:31:02,811 has this happened before since again 3686 02:31:05,860 --> 02:31:04,190 ever had any of the paranormal 3687 02:31:07,570 --> 02:31:05,870 experiences that might be connected if 3688 02:31:08,540 --> 02:31:07,580 not it might have been just a one-time 3689 02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:08,550 thing 3690 02:31:14,780 --> 02:31:12,960 there's a lot kind of the jolt that he 3691 02:31:16,670 --> 02:31:14,790 received our punch Kaveri will be 3692 02:31:20,090 --> 02:31:16,680 electrical in nature everything about 3693 02:31:22,580 --> 02:31:20,100 the multiverse and us is electromagnetic 3694 02:31:25,070 --> 02:31:22,590 really and everything is electrical our 3695 02:31:28,280 --> 02:31:25,080 muscles are about brain it all works our 3696 02:31:31,309 --> 02:31:28,290 nerves the synapses everything works on 3697 02:31:34,250 --> 02:31:31,319 electrical pulses really and so does 3698 02:31:35,599 --> 02:31:34,260 apparently everything else and the the 3699 02:31:37,880 --> 02:31:35,609 glue that holds it all together is 3700 02:31:40,700 --> 02:31:37,890 electrical so it could have been a 3701 02:31:42,410 --> 02:31:40,710 natural electrical experience of some 3702 02:31:43,910 --> 02:31:42,420 kind and no entity might have been 3703 02:31:45,260 --> 02:31:43,920 involved with or it could I really need 3704 02:31:47,780 --> 02:31:45,270 to know more to answer the question with 3705 02:31:49,219 --> 02:31:47,790 any more specificity than that yeah yeah 3706 02:31:52,460 --> 02:31:49,229 but thanks for asking 3707 02:31:53,719 --> 02:31:52,470 voices of the voiceless yes it's an 3708 02:31:56,179 --> 02:31:53,729 interesting avatar 3709 02:31:57,860 --> 02:31:56,189 I guess he's one of our lurkers out 3710 02:31:58,160 --> 02:31:57,870 there and a lot of people feel that way 3711 02:32:01,580 --> 02:31:58,170 today 3712 02:32:04,969 --> 02:32:01,590 yes it's I think it's kind of pandemic 3713 02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:04,979 at this point so where do you see the 3714 02:32:08,929 --> 02:32:07,290 these fields going Paul do you think 3715 02:32:12,050 --> 02:32:08,939 that we're going to get some some 3716 02:32:15,530 --> 02:32:12,060 headway with new thinking new you know 3717 02:32:17,420 --> 02:32:15,540 approaches at investigation at research 3718 02:32:19,010 --> 02:32:17,430 where do you see all this going do you 3719 02:32:20,540 --> 02:32:19,020 think the the I mean you're very 3720 02:32:23,270 --> 02:32:20,550 fortunate to have a young young man 3721 02:32:25,580 --> 02:32:23,280 who's taking the torch and moving the 3722 02:32:27,770 --> 02:32:25,590 tote in the rock down the field do you 3723 02:32:30,320 --> 02:32:27,780 see the young younger generation getting 3724 02:32:32,300 --> 02:32:30,330 involved to the degree and extent that 3725 02:32:34,760 --> 02:32:32,310 the that we need to move this thing 3726 02:32:37,270 --> 02:32:34,770 forward well I hope so and I hope in the 3727 02:32:39,770 --> 02:32:37,280 right way I'm very frustrated with the 3728 02:32:42,980 --> 02:32:39,780 ongoing popularity of the hobbyist 3729 02:32:45,380 --> 02:32:42,990 approach to this I was speaking at a 3730 02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:45,390 conference in June with oh three oh four 3731 02:32:49,610 --> 02:32:47,850 or five that camera which in the Florida 3732 02:32:51,469 --> 02:32:49,620 and I spoke there against my better 3733 02:32:54,170 --> 02:32:51,479 judgment but it was for beginning Ghost 3734 02:32:56,660 --> 02:32:54,180 Hunters the moderator asked I said well 3735 02:32:57,770 --> 02:32:56,670 if you had you know one-word advice to 3736 02:33:00,710 --> 02:32:57,780 give to the group oh just say I'd say 3737 02:33:02,929 --> 02:33:00,720 don't you have no idea what you're doing 3738 02:33:04,910 --> 02:33:02,939 this is not bird-watching or butterfly 3739 02:33:07,280 --> 02:33:04,920 collecting you know you're dealing with 3740 02:33:08,809 --> 02:33:07,290 something that can really mess you up in 3741 02:33:11,030 --> 02:33:08,819 all kinds of ways and can mess up other 3742 02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:11,040 people you see that the pop ghost 3743 02:33:14,300 --> 02:33:13,530 hunters out there who don't apparently 3744 02:33:16,219 --> 02:33:14,310 have a clue 3745 02:33:18,620 --> 02:33:16,229 I mean supposedly one well-known group 3746 02:33:19,780 --> 02:33:18,630 uses by book footsteps in the Attic as 3747 02:33:22,630 --> 02:33:19,790 at least 3748 02:33:24,940 --> 02:33:22,640 said that they use it but I can't see it 3749 02:33:27,400 --> 02:33:24,950 and what they do but barring that I'd 3750 02:33:30,670 --> 02:33:27,410 like to see more serious approaches to 3751 02:33:32,200 --> 02:33:30,680 this more broad-mindedness I think that 3752 02:33:34,210 --> 02:33:32,210 of course the the thinking that we're 3753 02:33:36,070 --> 02:33:34,220 seeing in the UFO community is is maybe 3754 02:33:39,220 --> 02:33:36,080 going that way I'd like to see it in all 3755 02:33:40,890 --> 02:33:39,230 areas of paranormal research I don't 3756 02:33:43,810 --> 02:33:40,900 have an awful lot of hope for that 3757 02:33:45,730 --> 02:33:43,820 modern science you know this mainstream 3758 02:33:47,970 --> 02:33:45,740 science is just as bad in their own way 3759 02:33:51,700 --> 02:33:47,980 as far as being closed-minded it being 3760 02:33:55,840 --> 02:33:51,710 almost faith-based in a sense as the 3761 02:33:58,480 --> 02:33:55,850 others so I I think good things will 3762 02:34:00,610 --> 02:33:58,490 tend to happen as opposed to bad things 3763 02:34:02,560 --> 02:34:00,620 as we go if people will simply be 3764 02:34:04,720 --> 02:34:02,570 intellectually honest and have a little 3765 02:34:10,630 --> 02:34:04,730 negative peer review and a little bit of 3766 02:34:13,270 --> 02:34:10,640 discipline right internal geez we're too 3767 02:34:15,370 --> 02:34:13,280 intelligent to you what's the SMT we 3768 02:34:17,530 --> 02:34:15,380 can't have the idiot box on anymore 3769 02:34:19,180 --> 02:34:17,540 please tell me we're not the only ones 3770 02:34:20,350 --> 02:34:19,190 you'll hear that from Lloyd or Bach you 3771 02:34:21,850 --> 02:34:20,360 know the legitimate pair of 3772 02:34:22,420 --> 02:34:21,860 psychologists and others will tell you 3773 02:34:23,920 --> 02:34:22,430 the same thing 3774 02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:23,930 I don't know how stay on Friedman gets 3775 02:34:29,100 --> 02:34:27,290 on because the the the UFO community is 3776 02:34:32,620 --> 02:34:29,110 more intellectually tolerant of 3777 02:34:35,080 --> 02:34:32,630 intelligence than the ghost tiny groups 3778 02:34:37,180 --> 02:34:35,090 are I think what with some exceptions I 3779 02:34:39,850 --> 02:34:37,190 don't mean there are exceptions to that 3780 02:34:42,370 --> 02:34:39,860 but by and large I think the popularity 3781 02:34:46,210 --> 02:34:42,380 of these ghost shows it has really 3782 02:34:48,400 --> 02:34:46,220 skewed I think the field towards as you 3783 02:34:50,500 --> 02:34:48,410 put it on the hoppiest getting involved 3784 02:34:52,240 --> 02:34:50,510 in and I I don't see that as being a 3785 02:34:54,250 --> 02:34:52,250 positive trend in fact I I think you're 3786 02:34:57,280 --> 02:34:54,260 right that it it's it's fraught with 3787 02:34:59,680 --> 02:34:57,290 with potential problems for individuals 3788 02:35:01,780 --> 02:34:59,690 and for for people's emotional states 3789 02:35:04,150 --> 02:35:01,790 and you start tangling with some of 3790 02:35:06,850 --> 02:35:04,160 these energies you better you better be 3791 02:35:08,620 --> 02:35:06,860 ready we hear from people who were not 3792 02:35:10,060 --> 02:35:08,630 ready and I'll say you know I was in 3793 02:35:11,530 --> 02:35:10,070 goblins the ghost hunting group we did 3794 02:35:12,910 --> 02:35:11,540 this and you know it's screwed up my 3795 02:35:14,230 --> 02:35:12,920 life I brought something home with me 3796 02:35:14,710 --> 02:35:14,240 nothing's been the same since what do I 3797 02:35:18,160 --> 02:35:14,720 do 3798 02:35:20,050 --> 02:35:18,170 involved it in the first place well 3799 02:35:25,150 --> 02:35:20,060 that's one way of doing it yes many are 3800 02:35:26,560 --> 02:35:25,160 called and even more bitten exactly so 3801 02:35:28,090 --> 02:35:26,570 again I don't have a lot of confidence 3802 02:35:29,980 --> 02:35:28,100 in that direction and another thing I 3803 02:35:32,020 --> 02:35:29,990 object to is them it's it's sort of a de 3804 02:35:34,240 --> 02:35:32,030 facto encouragement to 3805 02:35:36,940 --> 02:35:34,250 get involved in the occult you know 3806 02:35:38,410 --> 02:35:36,950 hailey no not just investigate throw 3807 02:35:39,850 --> 02:35:38,420 hundred hours let's do a seance and 3808 02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:39,860 let's do this if at all you know all 3809 02:35:43,900 --> 02:35:41,930 hell can break loose in a almost a 3810 02:35:46,270 --> 02:35:43,910 literal sense so it's it's not a good 3811 02:35:48,220 --> 02:35:46,280 idea and I'd stay away from from that 3812 02:35:51,460 --> 02:35:48,230 there are some good books out there 3813 02:35:53,380 --> 02:35:51,470 there are occasionally some good good 3814 02:35:55,600 --> 02:35:53,390 treatments on the air but that seems to 3815 02:35:58,450 --> 02:35:55,610 be mostly with the UFO community the 3816 02:36:01,060 --> 02:35:58,460 bill birnes productions certainly 3817 02:36:02,950 --> 02:36:01,070 eautiful hunters and ancient aliens I 3818 02:36:04,750 --> 02:36:02,960 mean I think you know this stop I 3819 02:36:06,910 --> 02:36:04,760 wouldn't give college credit for 3820 02:36:09,550 --> 02:36:06,920 watching it but I mean it's it's a bill 3821 02:36:11,350 --> 02:36:09,560 as an intelligent guy a very articulate 3822 02:36:12,850 --> 02:36:11,360 and produces some good stuff for Stan 3823 02:36:15,610 --> 02:36:12,860 Freedman certainly people like that but 3824 02:36:17,860 --> 02:36:15,620 on the ghost side maybe Lloyd or Bach I 3825 02:36:19,360 --> 02:36:17,870 like to think we better I contribute 3826 02:36:21,370 --> 02:36:19,370 something to some kind of positive 3827 02:36:23,530 --> 02:36:21,380 direction and then very tap here's 3828 02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:23,540 another one Barry Taff yep you know I 3829 02:36:27,340 --> 02:36:25,010 don't agree with about everything but 3830 02:36:29,560 --> 02:36:27,350 yeah I think there is again some 3831 02:36:32,350 --> 02:36:29,570 intellectual discipline in that approach 3832 02:36:34,270 --> 02:36:32,360 and there is a certain amount of of 3833 02:36:36,400 --> 02:36:34,280 positive direction I think to it to 3834 02:36:38,970 --> 02:36:36,410 where to where they're going little 3835 02:36:41,230 --> 02:36:38,980 common sense always helps to indeed 3836 02:36:42,910 --> 02:36:41,240 Paulino can you tell our listeners where 3837 02:36:47,560 --> 02:36:42,920 they can find more of the things that 3838 02:36:51,670 --> 02:36:47,570 you do okay behind the paranormal comm 3839 02:36:54,130 --> 02:36:51,680 or New England ghosts calm good places 3840 02:36:56,440 --> 02:36:54,140 to start sounds like good places we have 3841 02:36:57,160 --> 02:36:56,450 many places where you can find us which 3842 02:36:59,230 --> 02:36:57,170 is good or bad 3843 02:37:02,290 --> 02:36:59,240 Brian 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